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End of Ark Royal?
Seems there is a price for the go ahead for the new carriers:
BBC News - Defence review: HMS Ark Royal to be scrapped |
Flying from our new Carriers – The RN or the RAF Ethos.
Flying from our new Carriers ? The RN or the RAF Ethos. The Phoenix Think Tank |
Daily Telegraph...
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Well oldie, just where ARE are you coming from?:ugh::ugh:there will be NO winners from this round of cuts.
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Daily Telegraph...
Navy aircraft carrier will be sold after three years - and never carry jets - Telegraph Flog it to the Frenchies. Win-win situation for them; involved in the CVF programme, couldn't afford to build one to supplement the Charles de Gaulle, and may actually eventually want a replacement for that vessel. Hey presto, cut price PA2. |
Well, a few things can change over the next decade. Bit early to right QE off this early.
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Flying from our new Carriers – The RN or the RAF Ethos. |
After its run of SDSR stories I'm not sure I would believe eveything in the Telegraph.
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Radio 4 seems to be saying the same thing this morning - "extended readiness as an LPH" for HMS QE. I rather doubt it - transparently the RN's plan is to get to 2019 and then get the cash to rework QE as CATOBAR and then get the cash for an LPH.
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Hollow Vessels
... So is the following a fair summing up of the current situation - As we learn from the BBC today that Ark Royal together with its Harriers are all to be scrapped with immediate effect - when at the same time we read
that India - a nation we continue to prop up with aid financially - has just placed an order for Russia to supply some 300 'stealth jet fighters' for the Indian Airforce costing some £18-billion - We are informed that the RN will not have a carrier with fighter jet launch ability for at least the next 10 years - by which time the new carrier will enter service - but devoid of any suitable aircraft - and unable to land allied jet fighters on its deck. If true then lunatics are indeed surely running the MoD asylum. |
sashathehungry - Indeed. It didn't exactly start too well though to be fair.
Posted on October 18, 2010 by sharkeyward |
More from the Telegraph...
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You have to admit it is a master stroke by the Treasury.
At a stroke it avoids the need for a decision on a launch system, the choice of JSF or F18, or the choice between conventional and VTOL, and the financial penalties of cancellation. The only wonder is that they don't sell her on the blocks. That way the country that might eventually buy it on the second hand market could actually get it cheap now, paying only the completion costs and not past costs and at the same time specify its prefered operation system. Watch this space. :cool: |
He added that at least 50 servicemen had been killed on airfields in Iraq and Afghanistan but “no one has died on an aircraft carrier since 1945.” |
'Capability holiday'. Such well-known words within the Royal Air Force.
An island nation with no maritime patrol aircraft - Capability holiday.:ugh: |
All I can say is that this (CVs but no Harriers) must be the final act of a completely useless CDS - I suspect that he will go down in history as yet another RAF failure (after Harding etc) and once again demonstrating that the RAF are not fit to hold the highest military office.
Whatever ones military view about the new CVs to allow them to come into service with no FW capability is utter madness and will make us a laughing stock across the globe - and we have the RAF to thank for it. Cheers mates. |
Will it be the world's largest helicopter carrier?
Or will it be a re-run of the through deck cruiser issue? |
BBC News - Mercosur complains about Falklands missile tests
Interesting.... on the day we announce we're scrapping our carrier capability.... The Argentine Foreign Minister said... "The UK's refusal to negotiate a peaceful solution to this problem and the self-confidence with which it seizes our natural resources in the seas off Patagonia and at the same time tests missiles from our islands , are seen as acts of aggression not only in Argentina," Mr Timerman said. "Each day, there are more and more fellow South American nations that understands that a permanent member of the UN Security Council is behaving like something from the colonial past." Would love to know what these "missile tests" are too - firing off the old Rapiers from Berthas Beach?? |
I knew somehow it'd be the RAF's fault.
No, don't go looking at RN top brass who are so driven to get their new white elephants they've raped the rest of the service(s) just to get them. :ugh: Perhaps the RN should have offered to take over the Harrier fleet so it could have an aircraft to operate off their new carriers until the point something else is procured, or more likely, the carriers are sold. No the RN wouldn't want to do that. They'd much rather piggy-back the RAF budget for their FJ needs, all the while pouring scorn on the very service that is stopping the FAA disappearing completely. The RN wanted carriers more than anything else it seems and it looks like for a while they might have them. The expression, "be careful what you wish for, you just might get it" seems strangely apt right now. |
Perhaps the RN should have offered to take over the Harrier fleet |
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