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vecvechookattack 17th Nov 2005 10:21

RAF base awaits fighter decision
 
I hope that SMG stays open.

caspertheghost 17th Nov 2005 12:27

And another one bites the dust. Sad news indeed. Why don't they close the rubbish bases instead of the good ones?

ORAC 17th Nov 2005 12:30

But they got rid of the Jockistani CRC didnīt they..... :ok: :E

BEagle 17th Nov 2005 13:01

St Mawgan, Chivenor, Tangmere, Thorney Island - all far too nice. So the MoD either closes them or give them to someone else.

Valley, Kinloss, Lossiemouth? Hmm, not much potential for sale. So they hang on to them. Plus Grumpy Gordon will be happy as it'll keep his cronies content.

Why not close MoD Main Building and sell it - and move the MoD to Inverness!

effortless 17th Nov 2005 13:09


Why not close MoD Main Building and sell it - and move the MoD to Inverness!
Much too far from one's clubs dear boy, handy for the grouse though.

Jackonicko 17th Nov 2005 13:17

"St Mawgan, Chivenor, Tangmere, Thorney Island - all far too nice."

And if we're talking about places from which you can no longer have a flying tour, then add Abingdon, Brawdy, Church Fenton, Colerne, Honington, Hullavington, Leconfield, Pershore, Stradishall, Thurleigh, Wattisham, West Raynham, Wyton,

Soon to be joined by?:

Benson, Coltishall, Cottesmore, Leeming, Lyneham, Marham, Odiham, Wittering

Has Scotland actually lost a major airfield since 1957?

caspertheghost 17th Nov 2005 13:19

I don't know, Jackonicko, but since there are only 3 up there it would be a bit harsh!
What about Machra, Macraho, Makra:mad: Campbletown Minor Aerodrome?

Jackonicko 17th Nov 2005 13:38

There were wartime bases in Scotland that have gone. My Dad flew from Tain occasionally, and once crashed at Sumburgh, while there was Turnhouse, Dyce, etc. But Scotland seems to have escaped late- and post-Cold War cuts entirely unscathed, when the strategic rationale for ASW at Kinloss and for AD at Leuchars has vanished.

The logic of locating JSF as far as it's physically possible to get from the carriers it will serve also escapes me.

And on top of all that, there seems to be a slow but inexorable drift towards greater devolution for the 'Porridge Wogs' and with that in mind, it would seem sensible to limit the amount of national infrastructure on territory that may one day be part of some-one else's nation. Especially if the cost of doing so is that we throw away infrastructure on our own soil.

caspertheghost 17th Nov 2005 13:53

I would suggest they're keeping the Nimrods at Kinloss because of the considerable infrastructure that's already there or has recently been built for the MRA4.

airborne_artist 17th Nov 2005 14:31


Soon to be joined by?: Benson, ...
Doubt that CAE would be too happy to move MSHATF in a hurry.

Big Tudor 17th Nov 2005 15:20


Has Scotland actually lost a major airfield since 1957?
Yes, they lose Barra twice a day, every day! ;) Ok, a sorry attempt at humour I know.

I'm guessing (probably somewhat naively) that there are significant training opportunities to be had in RAF Jockistan. For the FJ boys, rapid access to some of the finest low flying systems in the country, same for the ranges. Does being close to the carriers home port really matter that much bearing in mind they won't be there most of the time?
For the Kipper Fleet, big play areas out in the Iceland Gap and North Atlantic that are far enough away from civil airspace to be useful. Plus the infrastructure already exists at ISK for the mighty hunter.

Of course, the cycnic in me wonders whether this is all a sweetener to Scotland following the decimation of the Army Regiments up there!

BEagle 17th Nov 2005 15:31

But the most apt name for a Jockistani base was, of course, HMS Tern in the Orkneys....

Because its real name was Twatt. It remained a reserve station under Lossiemouth's control until January 1949 and was then retained by the RN until sold off in 1957.

Other places for your list, Jacko:

Acklington, Andover, Bassingbourn, Binbrook, Bovingdon, Gaydon, Gravely, Kemble, Little Rissington, Manby, North Weald, Oakington, Strubby, Swinderby, Syerston

And those are just the ones in civilised parts of the world! All were still open when I joined the RAF.....

Krystal n chips 17th Nov 2005 16:36

Can we stop this nostalgic wallowing please ;) --it's making me feel very old as well as reminding me of several of the many reasons I joined in the first place :D ----all now closed of course !

Art Field 17th Nov 2005 16:46

Waterbeach, West Malling, Wymeswold, Booker, White Waltham, Upwood, Upavon.

An Teallach 17th Nov 2005 16:49


Waterbeach, West Malling, Wymeswold, Booker, White Waltham, Upwood, Upavon.
Mornington Crescent! :p

BEagle 17th Nov 2005 16:56

Finningley?? I was only referring to stations in civilised parts of the world. The Scargill Republic doesn't fall into that category in my view.

Somehow Doncaster and navigators deserved eachother....

althenick 17th Nov 2005 17:32


There were wartime bases in Scotland that have gone. My Dad flew from Tain occasionally, and once crashed at Sumburgh, while there was Turnhouse, Dyce, etc. But Scotland seems to have escaped late- and post-Cold War cuts entirely unscathed, when the strategic rationale for ASW at Kinloss and for AD at Leuchars has vanished.
Taking it from a defence-wide point of view I think you'll find that Scotland has taken its fair whack of cuts. Rosyth? Crombie? Pitreavie? Lochinvar? Dalgetty? Altbea? Turnhouse? to name but a few.

John Farley 17th Nov 2005 19:07

I appears you kids can't remember Driffield

Rakshasa 17th Nov 2005 20:27

So... when do they announce publically that Fylingdales has been sold off as a giant microwave? :}

BEagle 17th Nov 2005 20:52

JF - my list was restricted to places in nice parts of the UK which were still RAF flying stations when I joined.

Driffield had been a Thor base and then virtually abandoned years before I joined. But I understand that the Blackburn Aircraft Works test flew the odd Bucc from there whilst HoSM was being resurfaced in 1967-8.

But these days it's a grunt base where squaddies learn to drive lorries by numbers.

Now if Duncan Sandys had never been voted in, perhaps I might have flown P1121s from Merryfield.....

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a341/nw969/P1121.jpg


I was once told that 'they' were going to name the P1121 the Hurricane 2. As a former 'awker, do you know whether that was true?


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