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Is This You???
Hey Guys,
Was surfing Airliners.net this evening and I came across this:
Woo Hoo!
Any RAF guys out there like to shed some light on the fun they get up to at Mach Loop?
Cheers,
Souls.
P.S > As always, photo remains copyright Dimitris Triadafillou
Was surfing Airliners.net this evening and I came across this:
Woo Hoo!
Any RAF guys out there like to shed some light on the fun they get up to at Mach Loop?
Cheers,
Souls.
P.S > As always, photo remains copyright Dimitris Triadafillou
Grunting in the Dominie
Great photo there. Although they aren't pulling that hard - the old Dom is restricted to 2Gs. Still, beats a desk job.
I seem to remember a pilot being cout martialled for rolling a Dominie. Anyone know what happened to him? Must have been in the 70's.
PS. I think that the guy in the back of the Hawk is making it clear that if there's any blame for whatever happens, it isn't him.
PS. I think that the guy in the back of the Hawk is making it clear that if there's any blame for whatever happens, it isn't him.
I think anyone who has been through 208 sqn will agree that the mach loop is a great little playground. Going through the A5 pass at the end of almost every low level trip is a bit special as well.
To all those who are wondering why I didn't mention 19 sqn, I'm currently doing my tac weapons in a much flatter environment, so I can't speak for them!
To all those who are wondering why I didn't mention 19 sqn, I'm currently doing my tac weapons in a much flatter environment, so I can't speak for them!
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Has the official report on Dimitris's AIRPROX (first pic) come out yet? 
What Airprox?
Domitris uses a digital SLR, with a 400mm Image Stabilized lens. With the digital SLR sensor being two thirds the size of a regular film SLR pickup, the lens is magnified to the power of 1.5. This means that his camera has the use of a 600mm lens, and that's before he has possibly used his teleconverter. This is a huge magnification. And when sitting on top of a hill above the target aircraft, he gets some fantastic shots.
The Dominie crew is certainly flying within the limits.
The Dominie crew is certainly flying within the limits.
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Just to second Runaway's comments.
The location which the Dominie was shot from is around 500ft up, the bend in the road behind the aircraft is approx 1 mile from the photographic location. The compression of perspective caused by big lenses makes the Dominie look like it is flying much lower and closer to the road than it actually is. The use of a 6megapixel camera also allows for a great degree of cropping when producing an 800x600 monitor picture - Making the aircraft look bigger in the frame.
As fun as the Loop is (for us up the hills as well as those tearing through), we never see anything that makes you wonder about safety, the low level work always seems to be done with the uttermost professionalism - keep it up and keep coming down the vallies!
The location which the Dominie was shot from is around 500ft up, the bend in the road behind the aircraft is approx 1 mile from the photographic location. The compression of perspective caused by big lenses makes the Dominie look like it is flying much lower and closer to the road than it actually is. The use of a 6megapixel camera also allows for a great degree of cropping when producing an 800x600 monitor picture - Making the aircraft look bigger in the frame.
As fun as the Loop is (for us up the hills as well as those tearing through), we never see anything that makes you wonder about safety, the low level work always seems to be done with the uttermost professionalism - keep it up and keep coming down the vallies!
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Runaway Gun and Warplane,
I take it neither of you knows what an AIRPROX is then?
Clue: It has NOTHING to do with height.
I take it neither of you knows what an AIRPROX is then?
Clue: It has NOTHING to do with height.
I've had more than one or two...
ST,
I know exactly what an AIRPROX is, but since this photo does not involve a second aircraft, I only assumed you were relating it's proximity to the ground/photographer/powerline/bridge or some other random object. If there is another aircraft in the frame that is in a dangerous situation then I'm sorry - but I can't see it.
Cheers, RG.
I know exactly what an AIRPROX is, but since this photo does not involve a second aircraft, I only assumed you were relating it's proximity to the ground/photographer/powerline/bridge or some other random object. If there is another aircraft in the frame that is in a dangerous situation then I'm sorry - but I can't see it.
Cheers, RG.
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RG,
Glad you know about AIRPROXs but I have never heard it used relative to a single low flying aircraft before, it certainly has NOWT to do with the 500ft rule and they are never used to apportion blame.
The other aircraft involved in the "AIRPROX" WOULD have been the one flying towards the Dominie, i.e. the pilot's eye view of it would have been the same as ours.
HEY, BUT I WAS JOKING!
Tsk. Some people are SO defensive
Glad you know about AIRPROXs but I have never heard it used relative to a single low flying aircraft before, it certainly has NOWT to do with the 500ft rule and they are never used to apportion blame.
The other aircraft involved in the "AIRPROX" WOULD have been the one flying towards the Dominie, i.e. the pilot's eye view of it would have been the same as ours.
HEY, BUT I WAS JOKING!
Tsk. Some people are SO defensive
Pulling like a schoolboy
Ex DD, No Sir, it wasn't me. My days of low flying (legal or otherwise) are pretty much over.
Shy Torque, Well done !! You got me - I bit way too hard.
Warplane, thanks for your support. Please send in some more of your photos.
Cheers, RG.
Shy Torque, Well done !! You got me - I bit way too hard.
Warplane, thanks for your support. Please send in some more of your photos.
Cheers, RG.
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FFP - You kill me !!
From what I remember from reading the SOP's, AIP's and VFG's and the like: Low Flying is excepted when taking off and landing.
But then, I'm pretty rusty on the theory.
It makes it hard to explain why after a very low pass you were inverted at Vne, didn't have your gear down, and that your parents house didn't have a runway in the backyard.
But then, I'm pretty rusty on the theory.
It makes it hard to explain why after a very low pass you were inverted at Vne, didn't have your gear down, and that your parents house didn't have a runway in the backyard.
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Agreed the DOM shot is super.... nice work and beats FL350 et al - but just wondering why at Low Level these pilots arent wearing helmets/visors?
Whats the birdstrike protection like on the DOM? (or perhaps they just dont fly that fast?)
Serious questions...so if youre one of the, thankfully few, uptight crab-fats not interested in giving a useful answer....please refrain.
Whats the birdstrike protection like on the DOM? (or perhaps they just dont fly that fast?)
Serious questions...so if youre one of the, thankfully few, uptight crab-fats not interested in giving a useful answer....please refrain.