Loadies for RSAF
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Loadies for RSAF
Had a flyer through the post this morning from a company called Durango Human Resource Management Services.
The company DHRMS is headquatered in Durango, Colorado.
Just wondered if anyone has had any dealings with this outfit, and could shed light on their operations in Saudi?
The company DHRMS is headquatered in Durango, Colorado.
Just wondered if anyone has had any dealings with this outfit, and could shed light on their operations in Saudi?
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Muppet Leader
Never heard of Durango but Lockheed used to recruit expat aircrew for the RSAF, usually from ex U.S. Military, MAC or TAC.
I was involved in RSAF C130 operations some time ago and I think I can state without contradiction that no Brit was ever employed as aircrew on the RSAF C130 squadrons.
If as I suspect you are a serving or retired RAF Mover I do know of a couple of ex RAF Movers who were employed on the Aerial Port squadrons on ground jobs but that was years ago.
Never heard of Durango but Lockheed used to recruit expat aircrew for the RSAF, usually from ex U.S. Military, MAC or TAC.
I was involved in RSAF C130 operations some time ago and I think I can state without contradiction that no Brit was ever employed as aircrew on the RSAF C130 squadrons.
If as I suspect you are a serving or retired RAF Mover I do know of a couple of ex RAF Movers who were employed on the Aerial Port squadrons on ground jobs but that was years ago.
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I presume you've seen this:
http://www.jsfirm.com/companydetail.asp?jobid=2615
http://www.jsfirm.com/companydetail.asp?jobid=2615
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Thanks for that BEagle.
It is just the same as I got through the post.
I was also contacted by their sub contracted agency in Saffron Walden, and got all the glossy brochures, pictures of the accomodation etc, etc, etc,
The tax free salaries being offered, are not earth shattering by any standards, even if they are tax free.
I was just interested to hear if anyone had had any dealings with them, to find out the truth.
Sorry to all of you who have read this, but I will post it again in the Mil forum.
It is just the same as I got through the post.
I was also contacted by their sub contracted agency in Saffron Walden, and got all the glossy brochures, pictures of the accomodation etc, etc, etc,
The tax free salaries being offered, are not earth shattering by any standards, even if they are tax free.
I was just interested to hear if anyone had had any dealings with them, to find out the truth.
Sorry to all of you who have read this, but I will post it again in the Mil forum.
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ABIW
Your continual claim that all spelling mistakes are alcohol induced is puerile,sad, and quite worrying.
If you have some sort of problem why don't you seek help.
Your attitude towards Movers also displays a degree of arrogance
which is I suppose normal in your ilk.
Your continual claim that all spelling mistakes are alcohol induced is puerile,sad, and quite worrying.
If you have some sort of problem why don't you seek help.
Your attitude towards Movers also displays a degree of arrogance
which is I suppose normal in your ilk.
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6N/ABIW
As you both should know quite a high percentage of ALM's are ex-movers including sadly the lad who was killed on XV193.
A lot more may fancy it but are not into catering and basically 'you can get your own coffee...' Once outside the RAF they tend to get the jobs as at least they knew how the frame got loaded!
Echo 5 - I can still remember you being authorised to act as a Herc Loadie when the actual broke his leg....
As you both should know quite a high percentage of ALM's are ex-movers including sadly the lad who was killed on XV193.
A lot more may fancy it but are not into catering and basically 'you can get your own coffee...' Once outside the RAF they tend to get the jobs as at least they knew how the frame got loaded!
Echo 5 - I can still remember you being authorised to act as a Herc Loadie when the actual broke his leg....
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I find it very hard to believe that anyone would not want to become an ALM because of the catering tasks. You obviously are very blinkered into what being an ALM involves. The catering aspect is such a miniscule part of the job. Handing out a few lunchboxes and cartons of drinks to pax, re-heating a few crew meals and making an occasional drink, thats about it. On my aircraft all crew members usually take their turn at the galley, I have even seen a Station Commander make a few rounds of teas and coffees. On some aircraft the ALM will only have to supervise the stewards doing these tasks. When you look at the vast skills which the modern day ALM is required to do depending on aircraft type it is quite impressive. It does not stop at being able to load and supervise loading and certainly not at catering. You seem to have forgotted Airdrop, Special Forces, Support Helicopters, Search and Rescue, etc each involving a great deal of specialist and diverse training. Believe it or not but sometimes this is actually above your average mover. I do however recognise that there are and have been some good ALMs from Movements and PJIs, RAF Police, Aircraft Technicians, Medics, etc the list is vast. Even the ex mover ALMs have been known to slag off the movers. But please don't try and tell me that all movers can do an ALMs job. They may be cabable of a small part of it, but that's all. But to say that they were put off becoming an ALM because of the catering aspect is pure and utter bo***cks.
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Echo 5 & Blakey875
Not sure I know of any ALMs who have requested the move away from catering duties to become a stacker. Unless you know differently?
I spent a number of years in the RAF AT world and have had the pleasure of dealing with both movements and 47AD staff loading aircraft in strat and tac roles. However, although I have friends in both camps I know if I had to choose which one I would have. The number of errors that occur from the former outnumbers the errors from the latter by a massive margin. However, the thing that always concerned me was the 'not us culture' that arose when an error was apparent. As ex-RAF that is somewhat sad but a reality.
Not sure I know of any ALMs who have requested the move away from catering duties to become a stacker. Unless you know differently?
I spent a number of years in the RAF AT world and have had the pleasure of dealing with both movements and 47AD staff loading aircraft in strat and tac roles. However, although I have friends in both camps I know if I had to choose which one I would have. The number of errors that occur from the former outnumbers the errors from the latter by a massive margin. However, the thing that always concerned me was the 'not us culture' that arose when an error was apparent. As ex-RAF that is somewhat sad but a reality.
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Gentlemen, please!
You will all no doubt have guessed my credentials from viewing my personal profile, however we seem to be getting slightly away from the origional request.
If we would all like to roll our sleeves up and step outside, please feel free to open a new topic, on the merits or otherwise of ALM's and or movers, operating in every far flung corner of the world, and I will join with great gusto.
In both camps, I am sure we could all write many lines about comrades of varying calibre, from the airmen (and women) of “duty hero” status to “sandbag”.
So at this juncture please can we contain ourselves, as already mentioned, to the original thread.
Like the cat who ate the cheese, and then sat outside the mouse hole,
I await the new thread with bated breath.
You will all no doubt have guessed my credentials from viewing my personal profile, however we seem to be getting slightly away from the origional request.
If we would all like to roll our sleeves up and step outside, please feel free to open a new topic, on the merits or otherwise of ALM's and or movers, operating in every far flung corner of the world, and I will join with great gusto.
In both camps, I am sure we could all write many lines about comrades of varying calibre, from the airmen (and women) of “duty hero” status to “sandbag”.
So at this juncture please can we contain ourselves, as already mentioned, to the original thread.
Like the cat who ate the cheese, and then sat outside the mouse hole,
I await the new thread with bated breath.
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Follow Me Through,
With regard to your first message about ALM's moving from catering duties to becoming stackers. What is that all about?
Also, why bring 47AD into the equation ?
In your second message you have a go at Muppet Leader. The guy only asked a simple question and the only person to come out with anything positive was BEagle.
Do you by any chance go to the same playschool as 6N and ABIW?
With regard to your first message about ALM's moving from catering duties to becoming stackers. What is that all about?
Also, why bring 47AD into the equation ?
In your second message you have a go at Muppet Leader. The guy only asked a simple question and the only person to come out with anything positive was BEagle.
Do you by any chance go to the same playschool as 6N and ABIW?
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E5
You are making yourself look stupid now - I have already posted on the other link. Get out in the sun and enjoy yourself or better still start hanging round more appropriate sites for your capabilities.
