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So they'll be on an RAF base, flying RAF aircraft that come under RAF command, with no RN markings? Maybe this explains why some feel the RAF are taking over?
.....Until JSF......
When exactly will that be? On that note, this link from a blog (very often too right wing for my liking) reports on the saga of the second JSF engine - the one Rolls Royce were (are?) involved in. More problems and delays?
Will the CVF pass main gate in this decade? You have to wonder.
Similarly, MARS has been delayed. Despite being on the side of the workers (yeah right) they seem happy to let UK shipbuilding decline and have ships built for the MOD in foreign yards. See this article by Richard Beedall. Or these comments from BAE Systems.
There is a local aspect of this issue for me - see here.
The man from No11 has visited a warship. Those ships are awfully expensive Mr Brown, wouldn't it be prudent to look into the reducing the chances of losing them?
.....Until JSF......
When exactly will that be? On that note, this link from a blog (very often too right wing for my liking) reports on the saga of the second JSF engine - the one Rolls Royce were (are?) involved in. More problems and delays?
Will the CVF pass main gate in this decade? You have to wonder.
Similarly, MARS has been delayed. Despite being on the side of the workers (yeah right) they seem happy to let UK shipbuilding decline and have ships built for the MOD in foreign yards. See this article by Richard Beedall. Or these comments from BAE Systems.
There is a local aspect of this issue for me - see here.
The man from No11 has visited a warship. Those ships are awfully expensive Mr Brown, wouldn't it be prudent to look into the reducing the chances of losing them?
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I'm led to believe that they are still 3 Sqn cabs until 31 March. When 800 NAS stands-up and officially takes them over they will most likely have a proper FAA paint scheme then.
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Hang on, not even the USN have air defence only aircraft on their carriers anymore! So if the richest navy in the world thinks its pointless to have dedicated AD assets what hope does the RN have?!
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Hang on, not even the USN have air defence only aircraft on their carriers anymore! So if the richest navy in the world thinks its pointless to have dedicated AD assets what hope does the RN have?!
I would think that the USN doesn't think it "pointless," just that they can't afford it anymore.
From Airscene: A last gunfight.
Asked how they felt about transitioning from an air combat fighter pilot to a gound-attack role, to a man the response was unanimous - "It sucks!" Once a fighter pilot, always a fighter - the Fleet Air Arm pilots are progressing through the OCU at Wittering prior to Harrier GR7, and are ready for the challenge of a new discipline, but there's no denying they'd rather continue with the SHAR for as long as possible.
From the last paragraph:
...... six more are to be transferred to RNAS Culdrose and the School of Flight Deck Operations (SFDO), where they will be kept in taxiable condition for students to learn the fundamentals of aircraft launch and recovery procedures during simulated flying operations on the 'dummy deck', a life-size concrete replica of an aircraft carrier's deck.
Possibly making it more feasible to have some in storage for unexpected crises? Taxiable sounds better than left in a hangar, and infinitely better than the scrapyard.
As for the ones the Indians are interested in, is the reason Blue Vixen etc is being removed due to weight issues, or US export controls? Or both?
Asked how they felt about transitioning from an air combat fighter pilot to a gound-attack role, to a man the response was unanimous - "It sucks!" Once a fighter pilot, always a fighter - the Fleet Air Arm pilots are progressing through the OCU at Wittering prior to Harrier GR7, and are ready for the challenge of a new discipline, but there's no denying they'd rather continue with the SHAR for as long as possible.
From the last paragraph:
...... six more are to be transferred to RNAS Culdrose and the School of Flight Deck Operations (SFDO), where they will be kept in taxiable condition for students to learn the fundamentals of aircraft launch and recovery procedures during simulated flying operations on the 'dummy deck', a life-size concrete replica of an aircraft carrier's deck.
Possibly making it more feasible to have some in storage for unexpected crises? Taxiable sounds better than left in a hangar, and infinitely better than the scrapyard.
As for the ones the Indians are interested in, is the reason Blue Vixen etc is being removed due to weight issues, or US export controls? Or both?
Maybe keeping them in "taxiable condition" (is that really a word by the way?) is/could be a way of keeping some in reserve - just in case?
At least there would be some aircraft to rob.
At least there would be some aircraft to rob.
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Not sure how much use a radar-less FA2 will be to the Indians. Different Avionics to the FRS51. Potentially they could be supporting three types at once
Standard FRS.51
Upgraded FRS.51
Ex RN FA2 Sans radar.
I also see the Spanish are upgrading their remaining radarless Harriers to II+ standard.
Standard FRS.51
Upgraded FRS.51
Ex RN FA2 Sans radar.
I also see the Spanish are upgrading their remaining radarless Harriers to II+ standard.
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It's very interesting how WEBF/Navaleye et al always choose to ignore questions about exactly what they intend to chop from the defence budget in order to justify keeping SHAR.
Come on chaps, how about it? Instead of another Tom Clancyesque scenario regarding anti ship strikes against the RN, lets go for a more realistic scene. You're standing in front of a bunch of squaddies in Iraq who've just seen a mate killed and 2 others maimed by a roadside bomb hitting one of their unarmoured land rovers. How do you justify SHAR to them? Exactly what else in our shrinking budget should get cut to keep a handful of SHAR in service?
While you're doing that, perhaps ribena can read back over this thread to find one of the several occasions that his questions have been answered.
MM
Come on chaps, how about it? Instead of another Tom Clancyesque scenario regarding anti ship strikes against the RN, lets go for a more realistic scene. You're standing in front of a bunch of squaddies in Iraq who've just seen a mate killed and 2 others maimed by a roadside bomb hitting one of their unarmoured land rovers. How do you justify SHAR to them? Exactly what else in our shrinking budget should get cut to keep a handful of SHAR in service?
While you're doing that, perhaps ribena can read back over this thread to find one of the several occasions that his questions have been answered.
MM
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MM,
Relatively speaking we only have a small number of F3 in service. Just three squadrons. Where do you draw the line?
Ribena,
I would not be surprised is there are some Shar pilots on exchange somewhere, but we probaly have more F3 jockeys than jets right now. The ex Shar pilots are needed in their new landscape gardening role.
Happy now MM?
Relatively speaking we only have a small number of F3 in service. Just three squadrons. Where do you draw the line?
Ribena,
I would not be surprised is there are some Shar pilots on exchange somewhere, but we probaly have more F3 jockeys than jets right now. The ex Shar pilots are needed in their new landscape gardening role.
Happy now MM?
I just went to look at Sea Harrier ZD 582, sitting looking rather forlorn in the snow awaiting sale by tender next Monday along with all the other military surplus items. Despite the lack of engine, seat, pylons etc, it still looks a pretty good buy at the guide price of £15K. We could all club together and buy it for WEBF to give to the Queen as his contribution to the defence of Her fleet. Then he wouldn’t need to go on about the Wet Jet on here any more.
Alternatively, if 800 and 801 haven’t yet got suitable Naval memorabilia to stand outside their new front doors, it would look rather nice gracing their Rutland home.
Any takers?
Alternatively, if 800 and 801 haven’t yet got suitable Naval memorabilia to stand outside their new front doors, it would look rather nice gracing their Rutland home.
Any takers?
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No probs
I'll contribute to the fund - and can offer a home for it here, just two miles from the secret RAF RW base in S Oxfordshire.
I'd love to see their faces as they fly over AA Towers and see the mighty SHAR poised behind the East Wing, ready to pounce!
I'll contribute to the fund - and can offer a home for it here, just two miles from the secret RAF RW base in S Oxfordshire.
I'd love to see their faces as they fly over AA Towers and see the mighty SHAR poised behind the East Wing, ready to pounce!