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Old 1st Aug 2003, 02:20
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You seem very pro airbus at the moment Beagle......and particular reasons?
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My work on the A310MRTT has meant that I've had to do various calculations etc to analyse comparative tanker capabilities.

From which it is evident that the A330-200 knocks the spots off either the KC-767A or more especially the old ex-BA 767-300s in both AT and AR roles.

Also, as the capabilities of the A400M will be considerably superior to those of the 130J, it looks like EADS should have a pretty good product range for you to play with in 5 years' time or so. But 'my' A310MRTT will fly this November....
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Just been looking at the jpg's of the A380- http://airbus.dyndns.info/A380/

The screens are small, PFD has little NAV info, there's no HUD and the lack of an eyebrow panel display makes it all very "heads in". Apart from the built in dinner tray/keyboard it all looks very A340 technology! (ie several generations old). Is there a link somewhere for the proposed fit for the A400M that you know of Beags? The military requirement for a TAC airlifter doesn't appear to comply with the civvy fit for an airliner.

And to follow the original thread, could RR / Allison could come up with an engine that doesn't vibrate itself to component parts, have self-destructing generators or turbines made of chocolate? Mrs P-u-L would be most grateful. Thank you.
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propulike - try http://www.airbusmilitary.com/a400m.html . Then look at the 'virtual tour' - you'll need 'Quicktime' on your PC; you can download that from the site above.

But if that doesn't work:

HUDs? Most definitely. A400M will have a foldable HUD for each pilot to augment situational awareness during demanding flight phases.

Head-down displays. There will be 7 large-screen full-colour HDDs for the pilots plus another for the optional third flight deck crew member (the Air Loadmaster will have a multi-purpose workstation at the fron of the cargo area). These HDDs will be the latest generation and will be bigger than the current Airbus style of displays (not sure why you thought that they were smaller than those in the A340 - perhaps it was the effect of the size of the A380 flight deck? Look at http://www.airbus.com/product/a380_flight_deck.asp for the true picture) and include a Primary Flight Display, a Navigation and Tactical Display (including threat warning display and horizontal terrain data), an Engine Warning Display, System Display and Multi-function control display. All HDDs will be able to display any one of these 5 formats, as will the 8th; video imagery will also be displayable on the HDDs. The flight deck will be fully NVG compatible.

Engines - A400M will use the TP-400 D6 with over 10 000shp driving 8-bladed high-speed Ratier propellers (the outer part of each blade having a nickel guard to prevent foreign object damage). The TP-400D6 is being developed by a consortium of RR, Snecma, MTU and ITP. Not Allison!

The European Staff Requirement was written 7 years ago; the requirements of both tactical and strategic airlift are well accepted and the ac has been designed to meet these. For example, the cargo floor is equipped with a complete cargo handling system and an optional power loading crane capable of lifting 5 tonnes can be fitted to the rear cargo bay roof.

Crew protection will be afforded by a comprehensive DASS, crew seats can be armoured as can the loadmaster's station. Survivability has been designed in from the start.

Vmo is 300KCAS, Mmo is M0.72 and it'll fly at up to FL 370.
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As you appear to be the font of all knowledge - what do you know about this "optional 3rd seat on the flight deck"? I mean what trade will fill it and when, not whether it can recline!!

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Old 1st Aug 2003, 16:35
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The 3rd crew seat is for an 'optional' crew member on complex tactical missions. So it'll be up to the user to decide whether to use the seat - and who would occupy it.

There will also be a 4th 'observers seat', a couple of crew bunks and 2 proper unisex loos on the lower deck - not the disgusting pee-trough thing that's in the 130. There'll also be 2 urinals behind screens at the back - and even a wash basin!
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Send the sqns regards to Brian P and Keith F then beags
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Old 1st Aug 2003, 17:20
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Why not send them yourself?
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How many windows will it have? No, hang on, seriously. The main thing us SLF trash could come up with from the back of the C-17 was that we couldn't see out. Will there be a better view from the 400??
 
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Strange you should ask that as it was one of the first questions I had! It seems that it'll be up to the customer; all the brochures show very few windows indeed - just 3 per side at the front of the cargo hold. Since the permanently-installed sidewall seats will fold into the structure, there isn't much scope for many windows..... Which will make it about as bad as a KC-135 or KC-767A for the SLF to be moved around in, I would guess. The 120 grunt fit looks horrible; however, you could fit palletised seats, I suppose.

Still - no windows means that the muppets won't be able to damage them!

Regarding sidewall seats, the A400M is designed to civil standards complemented where appropriate by specific military requirements - and JAR crashworthiness regulations seem to require fore or aft facing seats for passengers. Hmmm - that could be interesting in the present huggy-fluffy era.
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I'd be interested to see the *final* cost per airframe.

It's all about what you get for your money.
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