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Hot Ladies + Fast Jets. Is there anything sexier?!?
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Monti, to support your case, I recently had the pleasure of meeting a female F/A-18D Pilot from the USN at the Avalon Airshow 2003. We had a good chat about her life in the USN and throughout the whole chat, she emphasised how there was no restrictions (Physical/Mental) on women becoming fast jet pilots. She was an extremely approachable and informative person, and it was very good talking to her.
She also featured in a 5 minute interview on the Airshow DVD, of which I have a copy. PM me if you would like some more info.
I also know off two women who have recently completed a course as navigators aboard RAAF F-111's. Now that would be awesome!
Cheers,
Souls
Monti, to support your case, I recently had the pleasure of meeting a female F/A-18D Pilot from the USN at the Avalon Airshow 2003. We had a good chat about her life in the USN and throughout the whole chat, she emphasised how there was no restrictions (Physical/Mental) on women becoming fast jet pilots. She was an extremely approachable and informative person, and it was very good talking to her.
She also featured in a 5 minute interview on the Airshow DVD, of which I have a copy. PM me if you would like some more info.
I also know off two women who have recently completed a course as navigators aboard RAAF F-111's. Now that would be awesome!
Cheers,
Souls
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Reaching deep into the cesspool of memory, I recall a US military study that established that women could withstand higher G forces than men could before blacking out. There was another that noted that smokers could withstand marginally more G as well. Guess which study got the more publicity!
After an excellent landing you can use the airplane again!
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Huron Topp - you may just have stumbled upon that great mystery - why do buxom blondes have a reputation (probably ill-deserved) for not being exactly in the rocket scientist division of intellect? Maybe it's all to do with the centre of gravity; 38D raises the CofG so the brain must be made smaller to compensate if the CofG is to stay within limits......
No, of course I'm not serious. Just Friday afternoon banter!
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Israels' first female fighter pilot
This follows a recent overturning of a ban in the IDF and as the article says three female navs have graduated and this woman will fly the F16 .
This follows a recent overturning of a ban in the IDF and as the article says three female navs have graduated and this woman will fly the F16 .
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In 1975-77 I drove the OR desk in MOD which handled future pilot/aircraft interface, including FCSs, instrumentation, information input, workload and information overload and all those good things. We were looking ahead to what I suppose is now the Typhoon. My predeecessor had commissioned a study by the Institute of Aviation Medicine, Farnborough, on the suitability of women as combat aircrew in various roles. The result thudded onto my desk.
IAM were unable to detect any significant difference between the genders in any of the parameters deemed to be relevant, once the need for physical strength had been obviated by powered controls. Reaction times, coordination, spatial judgement, resistance to "g", emotional stability and aggression - you name it- the gals were just as good as the chaps. The only slight question marks were over the effects of PMT, which varied with each individual. The cost of lay-off during late pregnancy and nursing were the obvious down-side, but that was not within IAM's remit. Given equal motivation ( and presumably there are still a few lads and lasses who have only one burning ambition - to be a military aviator) there is absolutely no reason why the girls cannot perform as well as the blokes. Perhaps, as has been suggested, the girls try harder. The chaps have this culture that it is unseemly to be seen to be too keen!
IAM were unable to detect any significant difference between the genders in any of the parameters deemed to be relevant, once the need for physical strength had been obviated by powered controls. Reaction times, coordination, spatial judgement, resistance to "g", emotional stability and aggression - you name it- the gals were just as good as the chaps. The only slight question marks were over the effects of PMT, which varied with each individual. The cost of lay-off during late pregnancy and nursing were the obvious down-side, but that was not within IAM's remit. Given equal motivation ( and presumably there are still a few lads and lasses who have only one burning ambition - to be a military aviator) there is absolutely no reason why the girls cannot perform as well as the blokes. Perhaps, as has been suggested, the girls try harder. The chaps have this culture that it is unseemly to be seen to be too keen!
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Perhaps combining the two topics somewhat 
Mate works for a well known car racing team and they would dearly love a good woman driver. It would generate oodles of publicity so the sponsors would love it, and might open up the world of F1 to a less male dominated audience, pleasing the sponsors even more and generating more cash.
Fact is, though quite a few have tried, no team has found a truly competitive female driver. His theory, and he admits it may be rubbish, is that its all to do with inner ear, and perhaps aggression (testosterone).
Telemetry from practice laps indicated that through corners their speed varied significantly from lap to lap, even though they said in the debrief they estimated their speeds to be consistent, ie perhaps their senses weren't as acute. Any fool can drive fast in a straight line but its cornering that seperates the men from the.... boys?
They also found women tended to back off more if the car twitched, costing precious time.
All from a very small sample, so not to be taken as any sort of proof, but the results were consistent. Perhaps there's a research grant in it for someone
Anyway, the door to F1 is very firmly open to any suitably qualified women, a few tried actual races in the late 80s I think, but the results were very poor. And he knows of none in the pipeline.
If and how any of the above applies to fast jets I'll leave you to decide.
Mate works for a well known car racing team and they would dearly love a good woman driver. It would generate oodles of publicity so the sponsors would love it, and might open up the world of F1 to a less male dominated audience, pleasing the sponsors even more and generating more cash.
Fact is, though quite a few have tried, no team has found a truly competitive female driver. His theory, and he admits it may be rubbish, is that its all to do with inner ear, and perhaps aggression (testosterone).
Telemetry from practice laps indicated that through corners their speed varied significantly from lap to lap, even though they said in the debrief they estimated their speeds to be consistent, ie perhaps their senses weren't as acute. Any fool can drive fast in a straight line but its cornering that seperates the men from the.... boys?
They also found women tended to back off more if the car twitched, costing precious time.
All from a very small sample, so not to be taken as any sort of proof, but the results were consistent. Perhaps there's a research grant in it for someone
Anyway, the door to F1 is very firmly open to any suitably qualified women, a few tried actual races in the late 80s I think, but the results were very poor. And he knows of none in the pipeline.
If and how any of the above applies to fast jets I'll leave you to decide.
Just to play devils advocate.... how can the UK armed forces justify employing women in any front line job (ie: Pilot/Nav/ALM), when "Women are excluded from the RAF Regiment on the grounds of operational effectiveness"??
Surely as officers/SNCOs we are all expected to be able to pick up a weapon and a bergen and carry out the same job of a gunner when the sh*t hits the fan? Even if said female does happen to be the first Eurofighter pilot.... she should have to have the same upper body strength of a RAF reg gunner, as should we all!
Surely as officers/SNCOs we are all expected to be able to pick up a weapon and a bergen and carry out the same job of a gunner when the sh*t hits the fan? Even if said female does happen to be the first Eurofighter pilot.... she should have to have the same upper body strength of a RAF reg gunner, as should we all!
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My centre of gravity is quite a bit lower now than when I was young enough to apply....maybe I should try again?
Seriously though....I have a mate who is a QFI on FJ and rotary, and though I have greater upper body strength and quicker reaction times, she leaves me in the weeds on aerobic fitness, stamina and co-ordination.
I know who I'd rather have in the cockpit, and it ain't me!
Seriously though....I have a mate who is a QFI on FJ and rotary, and though I have greater upper body strength and quicker reaction times, she leaves me in the weeds on aerobic fitness, stamina and co-ordination.
I know who I'd rather have in the cockpit, and it ain't me!
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Ok Chaps see Air Forces monthley June issue page 72
USAF Lady Single Seat driver 23 wing 75 FS A10 Ace
Capt Kim Campbell tacking a look at a very poorley looking A10 STB motor full of very big holes after taking ground fire over Baghdad on April 8th (I have a picture but cant seen to file it ).
She gets my vote, a very brave mate!
Also believe there is a lady Sqdn Ldr Jag jocky on 54 Sqdn at Colt.
USAF Lady Single Seat driver 23 wing 75 FS A10 Ace
Capt Kim Campbell tacking a look at a very poorley looking A10 STB motor full of very big holes after taking ground fire over Baghdad on April 8th (I have a picture but cant seen to file it ).
She gets my vote, a very brave mate!
Also believe there is a lady Sqdn Ldr Jag jocky on 54 Sqdn at Colt.
smoketoomuch is bemoaning the lack of first rate female racing drivers, in the 80's Audi had a female French driver called Michelle Moutoun. She drove one of the first Quatro's in competition and regularly beat a lot of men.
http://www.audioc.force9.co.uk/articles/quattro/4.htm
http://www.audioc.force9.co.uk/articles/quattro/4.htm
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It should be as simple as:
"A pilot in the Armed forces is sected and trained as a result of aptitude as well as flying ability"
Now, does it matter what sex you are, if this was a racial debate there would be uproar.
"A pilot in the Armed forces is sected and trained as a result of aptitude as well as flying ability"
Now, does it matter what sex you are, if this was a racial debate there would be uproar.
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Monti,
Apolgies for the Pprune rant /slagging it was uncalled for, however, who gets the cheaper car insurance?
JP bloke or slightly more mature female?
Load moving.............
Apolgies for the Pprune rant /slagging it was uncalled for, however, who gets the cheaper car insurance?
JP bloke or slightly more mature female?
Load moving.............