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Very interesting/amusing.
I wonder if it was posted on the Right to Reply area of the BBC website, whether it would pass the censors.
I've had previous posts edited to such a degree that the point on the site was 180 degrees from that intended.
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Very interesting/amusing.
I wonder if it was posted on the Right to Reply area of the BBC website, whether it would pass the censors.
I've had previous posts edited to such a degree that the point on the site was 180 degrees from that intended.
CS
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Ark switched off News 24 on Sunday, replacing it with rival Sky News.
Whilst it is regrettable that the reporters were killed and injured, we were subjected to Chaters whingeing that he reckons he was deliberately targetted. He was incessant in his blubbing to camera that there was no way that there was any enemy fire from the hotel. He has already stated that he is no expert in military matters but he never hesitates to add a slant that the coalition forces are some sort of ant-christ out to kill and maim as many innocent civilians as possible.
WTF does the campy whinger expect when he is reporting from the losing side in a war? He was demanding that he should be left alone to report. He was trying to make a dramatic point by stating that the tank still had its gun pointed at him and should it let one lose it would probably hit him (mores the pity).
When you have petty wimps like Chater reporting who needs enemies? He was fawning over the Iraqi Information Minister yesterday during the impromptu press conference. He was in the middle of making a 'package' when he shouted at the cameraman and almost wetted himself trying to get the camera to show the muppet minister.
When Martin Chater gets some balls and starts reporting the news in a quality manner and not his personal indignation that there should be no danger to him or his colleagues whilst they reports from the losing side in a war he'll get some respect. In the meantime I hope his colleagues will p!ss on him if he should accidentally find himself on fire.
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Too true blue ! That wimp, I think his name is David Chater by the way but who cares, has been telling everyone how dangerous his location has been at the "front line" and now he knows his blue kevlar isn't an effing fashion accessory !
His wimp out at the first sign of a big bang was apparently just great though. As a point of record, if I was an Abrams, Challenger, Bradley or Warrior crewman and some prat was pointing a camera, or anything with a reflective lens/range/focus finder, at me in the battlefield obscuration of the FEBA from a murky 500 metres or so then it's them or me ! Not too long to make that choice I'm afraid Mr Chater, but don't take it personally. His reporting has of course been under strict control so its difficult to criticise too much but if you can't take a joke, don't join. His bad or biased reporting has arguably served the regime well in the meantime.
Too true blue ! That wimp, I think his name is David Chater by the way but who cares, has been telling everyone how dangerous his location has been at the "front line" and now he knows his blue kevlar isn't an effing fashion accessory !
His wimp out at the first sign of a big bang was apparently just great though. As a point of record, if I was an Abrams, Challenger, Bradley or Warrior crewman and some prat was pointing a camera, or anything with a reflective lens/range/focus finder, at me in the battlefield obscuration of the FEBA from a murky 500 metres or so then it's them or me ! Not too long to make that choice I'm afraid Mr Chater, but don't take it personally. His reporting has of course been under strict control so its difficult to criticise too much but if you can't take a joke, don't join. His bad or biased reporting has arguably served the regime well in the meantime.
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I agree Chater has become even more strident and emotional in recent days and must suspect that the Americans are out to get him personally.
An insight into the reasons for his reporting slant was gleaned last week when he was doing a piece on an 'ordinary' Iraqi family living in Baghdad whom he has known for several years and whom he described as among his closest personal friends; they were not, as you might expect, too well disposed towards the War. I expect that things have just become too up close and personal for the old boy.
I agree Chater has become even more strident and emotional in recent days and must suspect that the Americans are out to get him personally.
An insight into the reasons for his reporting slant was gleaned last week when he was doing a piece on an 'ordinary' Iraqi family living in Baghdad whom he has known for several years and whom he described as among his closest personal friends; they were not, as you might expect, too well disposed towards the War. I expect that things have just become too up close and personal for the old boy.
Not seen Chater's reports, so can't comment. However, if it is David Chater rather than Martin, I have a recollection that Chater was shot while in Bosnia/FRY.
Although Martin Bell got the publicity as 'wounded journo', one of the ITN chaps positioned himself in a window (better lighting) and received a round in the back for his trouble. (Of course, the camera crew carried on filming and gave News at Ten great footage: 'BONG! - see reporter writhe in agony, BONG! - more dumbed down news - BONG! - cat stuck up tree in Surbiton...')
I've always thought that it was David Chater who had this indignity visited upon him - if so, it might explain why he's a tad nervous (but not why he's carried on reporting on wars)
Having done a quick search, David Chater was indeed wounded in Yugoslavia - while he was covering events at Vukovar.
Not that I'm trying to excuse any biased reporting, I hasten to add - just pondering whether his experience may have had an effect on the way he reports???
Although Martin Bell got the publicity as 'wounded journo', one of the ITN chaps positioned himself in a window (better lighting) and received a round in the back for his trouble. (Of course, the camera crew carried on filming and gave News at Ten great footage: 'BONG! - see reporter writhe in agony, BONG! - more dumbed down news - BONG! - cat stuck up tree in Surbiton...')
I've always thought that it was David Chater who had this indignity visited upon him - if so, it might explain why he's a tad nervous (but not why he's carried on reporting on wars)
Having done a quick search, David Chater was indeed wounded in Yugoslavia - while he was covering events at Vukovar.
Not that I'm trying to excuse any biased reporting, I hasten to add - just pondering whether his experience may have had an effect on the way he reports???
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Sky has become worse and worse during the course of the war, especially that drippy little wimp Chater - it's a pity he wasn't one of those taken out by the tank. I'd much rather listen to the Minister of Comedy - at least he has good reason to be totally biased in his mis-reporting, and would be a good replacement for Jay Leno - he's much funnier!
However, it's not nearly as bad as the IBC (or BBC as they still call themselves), who can't even supportt he government which raises their revenues. The sooner the BBC is privatised and sold off to Fox or someone, the better.
However, it's not nearly as bad as the IBC (or BBC as they still call themselves), who can't even supportt he government which raises their revenues. The sooner the BBC is privatised and sold off to Fox or someone, the better.
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Well done to the anchor peeps in the studio (about the only one that I will give).
If I was there I would be sorely tempted, when introducing Raggy Omar, to put on my best Scooby Doo voice and... "hello waggy!"
If I was there I would be sorely tempted, when introducing Raggy Omar, to put on my best Scooby Doo voice and... "hello waggy!"
Just a numbered other
Whilst my sympathies go out to anyone killed or injured in this war, I find it a bit galling that the press, ever so dispassionate when reporting the death and mutilation meted out to other peoples' friends and family, it suddenly becomes personal when one of their own is involved.
A long telepphoto could easily be mistaken for something more deadly, and who's going to wait to find out what it is, if it's aimed directly at them?
In the same way as one should not be surprised at getting wet after diving into a pool, one should not be surprised to risk injury when reporting from the capital of a country coming a poor second in a war.
Lighter note: Sky news bint to expert: 'And how can we be sure that the next president of Iraq will be any better than Saddam?'
short silence with 'did she really say that' thinks bubble...........
'Well, we're going to put him there!'
Man of the match in my view is Kelly from Fox.
A long telepphoto could easily be mistaken for something more deadly, and who's going to wait to find out what it is, if it's aimed directly at them?
In the same way as one should not be surprised at getting wet after diving into a pool, one should not be surprised to risk injury when reporting from the capital of a country coming a poor second in a war.
Lighter note: Sky news bint to expert: 'And how can we be sure that the next president of Iraq will be any better than Saddam?'
short silence with 'did she really say that' thinks bubble...........
'Well, we're going to put him there!'
Man of the match in my view is Kelly from Fox.
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OOPS !!!!!!!!!
Monday pm. Radio Five Live. Simon Mayo show. A "forum" of journalists discussing post bellum Iraq. Female journalist".......well none of those exiled Iraqi opposition leaders look exactly Kosher, do they ?"
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But this is a 5 star....!!!et nous sommes journalistes!!
Watching French tv this pm, a piece on the search for chemical weapons in Iraq. Describing the detector kit as used by US forces and a delightful close-up of a Rockwell hand held GPS!
On a lighter note, the crapauds are whinging like b*ggery about the 'deliberate' targetting of their 5 star.
The blonde said, 'We were standing on our balcony (admiring the view presumably) when blah blah blah....'
Bienvenue a la guerre mes enfants....
On a lighter note, the crapauds are whinging like b*ggery about the 'deliberate' targetting of their 5 star.
The blonde said, 'We were standing on our balcony (admiring the view presumably) when blah blah blah....'
Bienvenue a la guerre mes enfants....
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Unless there's a pistol just out of camera shot pointed at his nuts, someone at the Beeb needs to remind "Raggy" that his reporting is supposed to be impartial.
He really has taken on the mantle of Jeremy "I saw no evidence of a Military Installation" Bowen during GW1.
Radio 5 are starting to p**s me off aswell (and usually I'm a fan) - Nicky Campbell almost let the cat out of the bag the other morning when he joked with his so-presenter that they should "tell people how they really feel about the War". His questioning skills (which might be fine for a Consumer Affairs Programme) are not up to this job.
I exclude John Simpson from this slagging - probably their one credible (and completely non-sensationalist) journalist.
He really has taken on the mantle of Jeremy "I saw no evidence of a Military Installation" Bowen during GW1.
Radio 5 are starting to p**s me off aswell (and usually I'm a fan) - Nicky Campbell almost let the cat out of the bag the other morning when he joked with his so-presenter that they should "tell people how they really feel about the War". His questioning skills (which might be fine for a Consumer Affairs Programme) are not up to this job.
I exclude John Simpson from this slagging - probably their one credible (and completely non-sensationalist) journalist.
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Well it looks as though the British media at least have done quite enough to ensure that they are totally excluded from any future confrontations, hopefully.
It does show the calibre of the people who currently have the supply of our information in their hands. If the reporting by the British media from Iraq is anything to go by we don't get told a lot of truth and anything we do get is heavily biased to the left of centre.
If nothing else they have shown us that the time for a complete overhaul of the media is long overdue.
It does show the calibre of the people who currently have the supply of our information in their hands. If the reporting by the British media from Iraq is anything to go by we don't get told a lot of truth and anything we do get is heavily biased to the left of centre.
If nothing else they have shown us that the time for a complete overhaul of the media is long overdue.
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Raggy Omar is reporting that his Iraqi minders have not turned up for work this morning, looks like they have skinned out.
Raggy and his crew must be wondering if they should get out before the enemy (us) show up at his hotel.
Raggy and his crew must be wondering if they should get out before the enemy (us) show up at his hotel.
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Chater Crater - formerly the Meridien Palestine Hotel in Baghdad
Following on from the crap from "They know where I am" Chater in Baghdad, his arrogant assumption that every front line soldier has a Sky dish on his Abrams, Challenger, Warrior, Scimitar, LAV 25 or Bradley etc and they have had time to watch him every day for the last four weeks is just breathtaking. The fact is sonny that you are in a War zone of your own choosing, so Nuts !!
I also picked up very acutely the "pain" that reporters feel when it's one of their own who gets gubbed. Well, now they know how it feels for the rest of us. Arrogant ***** !
We are also getting p****d off with this growing attitude that Mohammed Saeed Sahaf is some object of "fun" and shouldn't be taken too seriously - he betrayed his Brother in Law and other family members to prove his loyalty to the Baath Party and has been a pivotal member of a brutal regime for years and should be treated as a War Criminal like all the rest of them.
I also picked up very acutely the "pain" that reporters feel when it's one of their own who gets gubbed. Well, now they know how it feels for the rest of us. Arrogant ***** !
We are also getting p****d off with this growing attitude that Mohammed Saeed Sahaf is some object of "fun" and shouldn't be taken too seriously - he betrayed his Brother in Law and other family members to prove his loyalty to the Baath Party and has been a pivotal member of a brutal regime for years and should be treated as a War Criminal like all the rest of them.
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Blimey Pilgrim - 'ave it! I don't think that anyone has said that he should be let off scot free, but it is a fact that his ability to stick to the party line is so comic that it is tragic. I for one hope he is caught, but it is clear that whilst Chemical Ali is history, Comical Ali has become history.
On another line, the only decent thing that I remember listening to on R5 was the segment a week or so ago on how the embedded’s were signed up. Apparently they had to do this ages ago and it was a 12-page or so form, with many conditions. By accounts, the experienced hacks did not want to play by these rules or commit to the time, hence, less experienced alternatives have made their way into the front line. This may explain some of the quality of reporting.
Anyway, after Comical Ali's latest outburst of defience, I'm just checking the window to make sure there are no Iraqui tanks in Haymaket!
On another line, the only decent thing that I remember listening to on R5 was the segment a week or so ago on how the embedded’s were signed up. Apparently they had to do this ages ago and it was a 12-page or so form, with many conditions. By accounts, the experienced hacks did not want to play by these rules or commit to the time, hence, less experienced alternatives have made their way into the front line. This may explain some of the quality of reporting.
Anyway, after Comical Ali's latest outburst of defience, I'm just checking the window to make sure there are no Iraqui tanks in Haymaket!
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ian something the ITN wallah in Bagdad reporting on jubilent scenes. "a downside of course is the looting of the palaces and Ive seen pictures and statues of Sadam set on fire"
Now I thought that was a great thing to see. This has been the whole bleeding point.
All reporters are miserably by birthwright. Always looking for the worst in any story.
Now I thought that was a great thing to see. This has been the whole bleeding point.
All reporters are miserably by birthwright. Always looking for the worst in any story.