F3 Navs as E-3 Fighter Controllers?
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Isn't this Forum supposed to be about/for Military Aircrew, not for a FC chat room. The points made reference the E-3D were interesting but now we seem to be drifting towards a whinge room instead. 
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T.O.O
As you seem to be new to pprune I think you will find that the 'military aircrew' forum is used by all, and by a lot of non military personnel. The thing is as a fair majority of the posters on this forum are E-3D mission crew FC's, therfore I would think that they are more than 'allowed' to use a PUBLIC chatroom.
Therfore the lesson is, if it is boring you, dont read it
We could all go around putting comments like yours on every post that we do not find interesting anymore, but whats the point?
and finally checked your profile, no mention of types or ratings have you finished Falcon 4 on your PC yet
or are you doing homework
As you seem to be new to pprune I think you will find that the 'military aircrew' forum is used by all, and by a lot of non military personnel. The thing is as a fair majority of the posters on this forum are E-3D mission crew FC's, therfore I would think that they are more than 'allowed' to use a PUBLIC chatroom.
Therfore the lesson is, if it is boring you, dont read it
We could all go around putting comments like yours on every post that we do not find interesting anymore, but whats the point?
and finally checked your profile, no mention of types or ratings have you finished Falcon 4 on your PC yet
or are you doing homework
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Bravo F&F.
T.O.O, that's just the way things work on message boards. Anaprop posted a contentious issue for us all to debate, and that's what we're doing - albeit that the topic drifts slightly now and then as we explore all aspects of the issue. If you think the occasional tetchiness that creeps in is acrimonious then you haven't been in many crewrooms. We whinge, we bitch, we downright scream at each other, then we go to the bar and buy each other drinks. Get over it.
T.O.O, that's just the way things work on message boards. Anaprop posted a contentious issue for us all to debate, and that's what we're doing - albeit that the topic drifts slightly now and then as we explore all aspects of the issue. If you think the occasional tetchiness that creeps in is acrimonious then you haven't been in many crewrooms. We whinge, we bitch, we downright scream at each other, then we go to the bar and buy each other drinks. Get over it.
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Now if you knew what T.O.O. stands for in modern fighter speak you'd know he hasn't just finished Falcon 8 (probably hasn't even got a PC - can't type). As for ratings, we don't all need to have 'ratings' to kick ass.
As for his point, I think it's valid, this forum is entitled 'F3 Navs as Fighter Controllers', NOT 'GCI boys whingeing about job ops'.
By the way, our AWACS and AAR assets are what most impresses the americans (not that we need to impress them) about our military, so they shouldn't become 3rd rate....2nd rate will do.
Now if you knew what T.O.O. stands for in modern fighter speak you'd know he hasn't just finished Falcon 8 (probably hasn't even got a PC - can't type). As for ratings, we don't all need to have 'ratings' to kick ass.
As for his point, I think it's valid, this forum is entitled 'F3 Navs as Fighter Controllers', NOT 'GCI boys whingeing about job ops'.
By the way, our AWACS and AAR assets are what most impresses the americans (not that we need to impress them) about our military, so they shouldn't become 3rd rate....2nd rate will do.
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Anytimebaby,
Stop bieng so presumptious thinking that I dont know what T.O.O means, If you had bothered to read earlier post on this forum then you probably would be aware that I 'know' about modern fighter ops.
Getting to the point, since when did the term T.O.O only refer to 'modern' fighter speak.... did they not do T.O.O in WW1 or II of course they did you MUPPET
Now some advice, your user name, location and time of posting obviously identify yourself as a socially depressed DVD expert, try getting a girlfriend
Stop bieng so presumptious thinking that I dont know what T.O.O means, If you had bothered to read earlier post on this forum then you probably would be aware that I 'know' about modern fighter ops.
Getting to the point, since when did the term T.O.O only refer to 'modern' fighter speak.... did they not do T.O.O in WW1 or II of course they did you MUPPET
Now some advice, your user name, location and time of posting obviously identify yourself as a socially depressed DVD expert, try getting a girlfriend
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As Spotter FC quite rightly states, " the topic drifts slightly now and then as we explore all aspects of the issue"........well please feel free to explore this!
TOO makes a valid point re Military Aircrew which F'n'F misses. Subsequently, anytime gets shot down for voicing an opinion, so I guess it must now be my turn to stand up and be counted (or should that be berated). Notwithstanding the contribution made by the FC Branch (E-3D or otherwise) aircrew YOU ARE NOT AND NEVER WILL BE (unless something has changed). May I suggest a more appropriate 'public' forum for your blood-letting (informed discussion) is perhaps the checkout queue at Tesco's.
F'n'F - Please don't get all emotional about this being my first post etc etc......you'll be wasting your time. Perhaps there are many like me whom, as the silent minority, do not percieve you to be the aviation legends the majority of you appear to think you are.
HH could be interesting ...........perhaps Spotter FC will be buying the drinks.
TOO makes a valid point re Military Aircrew which F'n'F misses. Subsequently, anytime gets shot down for voicing an opinion, so I guess it must now be my turn to stand up and be counted (or should that be berated). Notwithstanding the contribution made by the FC Branch (E-3D or otherwise) aircrew YOU ARE NOT AND NEVER WILL BE (unless something has changed). May I suggest a more appropriate 'public' forum for your blood-letting (informed discussion) is perhaps the checkout queue at Tesco's.
F'n'F - Please don't get all emotional about this being my first post etc etc......you'll be wasting your time. Perhaps there are many like me whom, as the silent minority, do not percieve you to be the aviation legends the majority of you appear to think you are.
HH could be interesting ...........perhaps Spotter FC will be buying the drinks.
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I might as well stand up and put my tuppence worth in as well!
Firstly the E3 is all about teamwork, from the front to the back. As an ex bunker boy myself I can see all the points raised and some are most valid. My comments now relate only to commissioned wearers of the FC brevet. IMHO Navs make excellent E3 FC's. They are experienced aircrew who, like the Aeops, bring a whole host of qualities to the jet. Qualities you can't get sitting underground in a dimly lit room!! The only criticisms and mutterings seem to come from FC's who are E xcellently G ood Officers or EGO's.
There are many different EGO’s on board the E3, some think they are bigger EGO’s than others and therefore most important. They are the ones who strut and cluck the loudest. Bottom line, it doesn’t matter who does what as long as every one is capable and professional at their jobs.
The E3 isn’t a bunker, never was a bunker and never will be.
In my experience, those who come to the E3’s with a bunker mentality are the ones who struggle the most.
Firstly the E3 is all about teamwork, from the front to the back. As an ex bunker boy myself I can see all the points raised and some are most valid. My comments now relate only to commissioned wearers of the FC brevet. IMHO Navs make excellent E3 FC's. They are experienced aircrew who, like the Aeops, bring a whole host of qualities to the jet. Qualities you can't get sitting underground in a dimly lit room!! The only criticisms and mutterings seem to come from FC's who are E xcellently G ood Officers or EGO's.
There are many different EGO’s on board the E3, some think they are bigger EGO’s than others and therefore most important. They are the ones who strut and cluck the loudest. Bottom line, it doesn’t matter who does what as long as every one is capable and professional at their jobs.
The E3 isn’t a bunker, never was a bunker and never will be.
In my experience, those who come to the E3’s with a bunker mentality are the ones who struggle the most.
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Good points all.
"Bottom line, it doesn’t matter who does what as long as every one is capable and professional at their jobs"
Wholeheartedly agree, and something that we seem incapable of appreciating as a branch.
Dribbler - you obviously don't know me - I never buy (1/4 Scottish see!). However, a whole host of non-aircrew post here, which allows for a far richer debate on several subjects (unless it's Alpha Control posting his usual bollox ramblings - been rather quiet recently though. Too many people in your six?). This particular topic was always going to be somewhat polarized.
BTW HH was great.
Good points all.
"Bottom line, it doesn’t matter who does what as long as every one is capable and professional at their jobs"
Wholeheartedly agree, and something that we seem incapable of appreciating as a branch.
Dribbler - you obviously don't know me - I never buy (1/4 Scottish see!). However, a whole host of non-aircrew post here, which allows for a far richer debate on several subjects (unless it's Alpha Control posting his usual bollox ramblings - been rather quiet recently though. Too many people in your six?). This particular topic was always going to be somewhat polarized.
BTW HH was great.
