Military Vs. Civilian
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Before I add my tuppence to this fine ongoing discussion, I would like to request that it doesn't create a backlash of abuse from certain quarters!Lance, from my perspective, came onto this, a Mil flying forum, to ask for advice about the differences and similarities between Mil and Civ flying!
Now I am sure there are a few of us who can, and some who already have, given our best advice RE: the Mil side of things...
BUT NO MATTER HOW HARD I TRIED I JUST COULDN'T GET ON ONE OF THOSE CIV FORUMS TO THROW MY WEIGHT AROUND REGARDING A JOB THAT I JUST DON'T DO!!
PS: I thought the conversation was getting a bit stale, bait cast!
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I found my Fin IRET more diff than my twin piston initial IRT. Still wake up in a sweat remembering trying to fly the thing into Leeuwarden on those comedy standby instruments in the back, with the wings in some silly sweep wobbling around in mech mode. I understand that things have got a bit more sensible in the last few years though - i.e. they tell you at least one of the places you'll be going before you get airborne.
My IRTs are very civilised now though, well, only 'slightly unpleasant'.
Mobius T
My IRTs are very civilised now though, well, only 'slightly unpleasant'.
Mobius T
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Im hoping to try for the RAF later this year, and I was wondering what kind of flying experience is considered the best before joining.
From what I've heard from the airline people, they seem to be divided between gliding and PPL. Gliding means good stick / rudder coordination, whereas PPL requires more money, and therefore demonstrates a greater commitment.
Any thoughts? I went with the gliding initially because I could solo at 16, but I've continued with it because I enjoy it so much. If PPLs are preferred, I could do that this year.
Anyone?
From what I've heard from the airline people, they seem to be divided between gliding and PPL. Gliding means good stick / rudder coordination, whereas PPL requires more money, and therefore demonstrates a greater commitment.
Any thoughts? I went with the gliding initially because I could solo at 16, but I've continued with it because I enjoy it so much. If PPLs are preferred, I could do that this year.
Anyone?
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IOAN
Try a Flying scholarship (free 20hrs, also counts towards ppl) if they still do them? then get a uni bursary/sponsorship while flying for a UAS. worked for me
Too many hours at you local flying club may go against you as bad habbits are quickly developed and hard to break!
Try a Flying scholarship (free 20hrs, also counts towards ppl) if they still do them? then get a uni bursary/sponsorship while flying for a UAS. worked for me
Too many hours at you local flying club may go against you as bad habbits are quickly developed and hard to break!
Ioan,
Any flying's good only because it shows commitment. The individual is much more important. Be under no illusions: if 2 people pitch up, one with 200 hrs Cessna, the other with no flying experience - they will go for the one with the better potential.
Any flying's good only because it shows commitment. The individual is much more important. Be under no illusions: if 2 people pitch up, one with 200 hrs Cessna, the other with no flying experience - they will go for the one with the better potential.
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If Mr Schumaker (?) was offered better money to drive a black cab in town as opposed to a Ferrari F1 would he take it ?,
Taxi, taxi for Mr DR, leaving now Sir!,
Taxi, taxi for Mr DR, leaving now Sir!,
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Don't join the RAF if you're heart's not in it. I wanted to fly FJ ever since I first saw an aeroplane (a 747 so don't ask why FJ) and did the UAS thing at Uni and was weel on the way.
Then domestic situation changed unexpectedly and mil career went out of window. Never considered civvy flying as I always saw it as a post-mil flying occupation so spent 10 years trying to convince myself I wanted to do a crap 9-5 kind of job.
Ended up back wanting to fly (also unexpected) and too old for mil, so went for an ATPL (wish daddy had paid) and now without even the crap 9-5 job. Cue violins.
If all you want to do is fly, go civvy but don't expect a job. If you really wanted mil, you wouldn't have to ask. I never did.
Then domestic situation changed unexpectedly and mil career went out of window. Never considered civvy flying as I always saw it as a post-mil flying occupation so spent 10 years trying to convince myself I wanted to do a crap 9-5 kind of job.
Ended up back wanting to fly (also unexpected) and too old for mil, so went for an ATPL (wish daddy had paid) and now without even the crap 9-5 job. Cue violins.
If all you want to do is fly, go civvy but don't expect a job. If you really wanted mil, you wouldn't have to ask. I never did.
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My 5,000,000 lira worth..
Civvie Flying
Spend £1000's on getting an ATPL. Or get rich parents to fund 509 course. Spend years looking for a job. Or do a 509 course at Oxford and fastrack into an airline with only 350hrs TT (Jeez!!!)
Once you get a job, turn up for work, get PC generated WX, Take off, autopilot in, drink coffee, read the Telegraph, get to fly with miserable captain, get the WX, Autoland, taxi to stand, go to hotel, get pissed with crew, wake up with headache, do it all again..........get paid lots, wear a shiny uniform. zzzzzzzzzzzzz
Military Flying
Lots of fun, flying big FO jets, drop iron on people, get to wear shiny white gloves, fly below 500ft legally, play golf a lot, wear a gro-bag all day (not at BZN)
You can always leave after a few years and go down the civvie route afterwards..........
Civvie Flying
Spend £1000's on getting an ATPL. Or get rich parents to fund 509 course. Spend years looking for a job. Or do a 509 course at Oxford and fastrack into an airline with only 350hrs TT (Jeez!!!)
Once you get a job, turn up for work, get PC generated WX, Take off, autopilot in, drink coffee, read the Telegraph, get to fly with miserable captain, get the WX, Autoland, taxi to stand, go to hotel, get pissed with crew, wake up with headache, do it all again..........get paid lots, wear a shiny uniform. zzzzzzzzzzzzz
Military Flying
Lots of fun, flying big FO jets, drop iron on people, get to wear shiny white gloves, fly below 500ft legally, play golf a lot, wear a gro-bag all day (not at BZN)
You can always leave after a few years and go down the civvie route afterwards..........
