PPRuNe & AFBLT
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PPRuNe & AFBLT
Heard from the presentation at Strawberry the other day that during a question about 'communication' from above, that one of the ideas being looked at was a 'Web Site'. The Board leader quoted that ' you may have heard of PPRuNe, a web site for the Military to winge on'. Although he did 'NOT ' subscribe to PPRuNe (really) he thought it was a good idea, and that it was looked at by those on high. So what do you think. A Web site for the RAF where you can put your comments.? I must warn you that he also said that subscribers would have to put their name to their query. They are also looking for a 'moderator'.
Moderator(?)
I think the word you are actually looking for is one of the following -
GRASS
STOOLIE
INFORMER
SNITCH
or possibly....
£*&(*%(£^%
GRASS
STOOLIE
INFORMER
SNITCH
or possibly....
£*&(*%(£^%
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Lol
The Army launched a website www.clubarmy.mod.uk (I think)
We all tooled over to take a look, but were somewhat put off, by the requirements to join the forum
Such as
Name
Regimental Number
Blood Group
NI number
Now, with that lot hanging off the front gate, you just know your less than complimentary comments re. SA80 rifles, Boots, non-desertised expensive kit and uniforms that fall apart,and the mock coup planning, are guaranteed to get you a "Your Hat/My/Office/No Tea/No biscuits" interview.
Happy with my arssethanks.......
The Army launched a website www.clubarmy.mod.uk (I think)
We all tooled over to take a look, but were somewhat put off, by the requirements to join the forum
Such as
Name
Regimental Number
Blood Group
NI number
Now, with that lot hanging off the front gate, you just know your less than complimentary comments re. SA80 rifles, Boots, non-desertised expensive kit and uniforms that fall apart,and the mock coup planning, are guaranteed to get you a "Your Hat/My/Office/No Tea/No biscuits" interview.
Happy with my arssethanks.......
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Forums run by the military
Indeed it must be hard for a military organisation to see its dirty washing being hung out in a public environment such as the WWW. The leaders of the three services must, however, understand that a forum upon which subscribers remain anonymous is the only way in which we can express ourselves. We are professionals who are denied a mouthpiece such as a union (incidentally, I do not necessarily see the need for us to have one) and the only way that the leaders are able to guage what is really going on is to read forums such as this. I would gladly welcome a forum set within a military framework but only if it assured me that by registering my comments, I would not be subsequently penalised for any comments I should choose to make. The only real way of achieving brave and honest comment is if one can assure annonymity. Military organisations have a reputation for shafting those who speak out and asking a military man to wear his sentiments on his shoulder (by demanding name rank no etc) goes against all that we normally do. I urge the higher command to either read about topics on this forum and to take in the gripes of the men they lead, or to set up an anonymous forum on military networks which do not attempt to trace the originators. Remember that most people making contributions such as mine, only do so because of the passion to improve the military in which they belong. I am hugely proud of my service and only want to improve what I see. Most other contributors to this forum are the same (those who don't care for the service can't even be bothered to log on to such sites anyway). All I want to see is improved leadership and the only way to improving things is to have 2 way honest debriefs which is why we debrief every sortie we fly!!! Leaders up there hear my plea - I want you to know the issues so that you can lead us effectively into the next set of conflicts. I don't want you to know my name as I feel I would not be open and honest with you if I knew that my promotion prospects could be affected by adverse comments which were attributable to me. Take what you see on face value and address the issues. You are the first generation of military leaders who have the luxury of being able to see and read the thoughts of your underlings. You are armed with valuable intelligence - use it wisely and improve our fighting ability.
Blo*dy well said Dogstar
Look at what happened to ACM Graydon and current CDS. They are both brave men who chose to air their views about political interference in a public forum.
Maybe if the military had more political clout, we wouldn't need to hide our opinions in a private website!
Look at what happened to ACM Graydon and current CDS. They are both brave men who chose to air their views about political interference in a public forum.
Maybe if the military had more political clout, we wouldn't need to hide our opinions in a private website!
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We were talking about opening up an all services forum on the other means a few weeks ago. We seem to get a lot of services/ex-services, and very few non-services personnel posting
Except sodding firemen....
If anyone wants to contribute their thoughts on the idea
http://www.arsse.co.uk/cgi-bin/yabb1...num=1035208878
Except sodding firemen....
If anyone wants to contribute their thoughts on the idea
http://www.arsse.co.uk/cgi-bin/yabb1...num=1035208878
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On the face of it, it's a great idea, however, it will never EVER work, for two simple reasons:
1. Anyone deemed to be whinging, whether legitimately or otherwise, will be spending too much time having a 'hat on' bollocking from the Boss!
2. All the Scribbly/Blunty fratternity will spend so much time on the net telling everyone how wonderful their bosses are, R-slicking that nothing will ever get done!! (Not that they do a lot anyway!)
Not for me I'm afraid, I'll stick with PPrune thank you.
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1. Anyone deemed to be whinging, whether legitimately or otherwise, will be spending too much time having a 'hat on' bollocking from the Boss!
2. All the Scribbly/Blunty fratternity will spend so much time on the net telling everyone how wonderful their bosses are, R-slicking that nothing will ever get done!! (Not that they do a lot anyway!)
Not for me I'm afraid, I'll stick with PPrune thank you.
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'Caruthers, more line old boy'
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Club Army was a bit of an unmitigated disaster, but then I know the guy who advised DInfoA on the strategy and the SO1 didn't want to listen to the argument about anonymity, and guess what?
For as long as there is a medium to do so, guys will chew the cud. The WWW has taken over from the NAAFI break and provides a "global" perspective. The danger is (as is often evidenced here) that the issues are often trivial ones that detract from either the bigger picture or which paint a very negative pitcure both of the commentators and the service to which they belong (threads here have included berating the loss of Club Class airline travel when on duty, down grading of aircrew hotel accommodation, and so on). There have however been some major issues given air on this forum. Some of you may recall about a year ago there was a major thread discussing some of the major issues to be impacting the RAF, many of which are shared by the other 2 services. Someone in the MoD printed this thread out and placed it on the desk of someone very high up in the food chain (an act of great cajhunas!) The net result is that if the senior officers have the sense to take note of the discussions going on then they can get a feel for the reality of operational life rather than hearing what staff officers and others would wish them to hear. Perhaps this may go some way to getting decisions taken that would otherwise not present themselves. I suspect that the older generation are inherently suspicious of any new medium such as the internet and fear the implications of free and open discussion. The realpolitik is that the internet is here to stay, and that try as they like senior officers are never going to be able to stop servicemen from setting up websites for discussion of the issues that surround them.
Someone once commented that functional illiteracy (the ability to read and write) is all but eradicated and that the new illiteracy is the inability to change and modify, and thus keep up with the pace of progress. I would not be surprised if information management in the arena of the WWW and the intelligent interpretation of that information for the purposes of plan production and personnel management becomes a hot topic at Staff College in the coming years. Only by addressing the issue at SO1 level and above can the forces utilise the power of knowledge sharing and seeing it as a benefit rather than a threat.
For as long as there is a medium to do so, guys will chew the cud. The WWW has taken over from the NAAFI break and provides a "global" perspective. The danger is (as is often evidenced here) that the issues are often trivial ones that detract from either the bigger picture or which paint a very negative pitcure both of the commentators and the service to which they belong (threads here have included berating the loss of Club Class airline travel when on duty, down grading of aircrew hotel accommodation, and so on). There have however been some major issues given air on this forum. Some of you may recall about a year ago there was a major thread discussing some of the major issues to be impacting the RAF, many of which are shared by the other 2 services. Someone in the MoD printed this thread out and placed it on the desk of someone very high up in the food chain (an act of great cajhunas!) The net result is that if the senior officers have the sense to take note of the discussions going on then they can get a feel for the reality of operational life rather than hearing what staff officers and others would wish them to hear. Perhaps this may go some way to getting decisions taken that would otherwise not present themselves. I suspect that the older generation are inherently suspicious of any new medium such as the internet and fear the implications of free and open discussion. The realpolitik is that the internet is here to stay, and that try as they like senior officers are never going to be able to stop servicemen from setting up websites for discussion of the issues that surround them.
Someone once commented that functional illiteracy (the ability to read and write) is all but eradicated and that the new illiteracy is the inability to change and modify, and thus keep up with the pace of progress. I would not be surprised if information management in the arena of the WWW and the intelligent interpretation of that information for the purposes of plan production and personnel management becomes a hot topic at Staff College in the coming years. Only by addressing the issue at SO1 level and above can the forces utilise the power of knowledge sharing and seeing it as a benefit rather than a threat.
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I think an anonymous forum is preferable. That said, I can't say I've noticed any reluctance on the part of personnel (of any rank, branch or trade) to stand-up and speak their mind when the AFBLT comes to call.
As I recall, Sir Michael Graydon stuck his head above the parapet, only to very quickly lower it again and Sir Michael Boyce stuck his head above the parapet, protected by the trusty shield of impending retirement. Brave? Up to a point.
As I recall, Sir Michael Graydon stuck his head above the parapet, only to very quickly lower it again and Sir Michael Boyce stuck his head above the parapet, protected by the trusty shield of impending retirement. Brave? Up to a point.
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Well said kbf1
There are a few unpleasantries or shortcomings in the system, that will be aired on forums such as these. If all the information, is collated and acted upon, then it will lead to a happier, motivated service.
One of our contributors, made mention of the KFOR Internet link being imminently withdrawn. For those of us who have been away from home for any length of time, you know how important that e-mail can be.
He expressed his concerns, on the forum,and, as if by magic, the situation was averted, by one of the higher ups seeing the post, and acting on it, we believe.
They are useful areas, to express concerns, that will affect morale, performance and well-being. However, they are a precious resource, that shouldn't be diluted, by endless whining and whinging about class of hotel, standard of flight, how much paperwork you do, sports afternoons, why should I do fitness and all that cock .
Believe me, the red-tabbed/Gold sleeved grownups do read the forums, the more enlightened ones, know it's a valuable way to keep in touch with personnel's feelings and outlook, especially when you feel you can't go up the chain of command with a problem or observation, for the penalties that may be incurred.
Hopefully, forums such as these, will be encouraged, possibly even funded in time to come.
There are a few unpleasantries or shortcomings in the system, that will be aired on forums such as these. If all the information, is collated and acted upon, then it will lead to a happier, motivated service.
One of our contributors, made mention of the KFOR Internet link being imminently withdrawn. For those of us who have been away from home for any length of time, you know how important that e-mail can be.
He expressed his concerns, on the forum,and, as if by magic, the situation was averted, by one of the higher ups seeing the post, and acting on it, we believe.
They are useful areas, to express concerns, that will affect morale, performance and well-being. However, they are a precious resource, that shouldn't be diluted, by endless whining and whinging about class of hotel, standard of flight, how much paperwork you do, sports afternoons, why should I do fitness and all that cock .
Believe me, the red-tabbed/Gold sleeved grownups do read the forums, the more enlightened ones, know it's a valuable way to keep in touch with personnel's feelings and outlook, especially when you feel you can't go up the chain of command with a problem or observation, for the penalties that may be incurred.
Hopefully, forums such as these, will be encouraged, possibly even funded in time to come.
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Old PPRuNer Hands will remember that I proposed just such a Web Site in a letter that The Times published over two years ago.
There was some discussion about it here, but it soon disappeared down the page...
It'll be a total waste of time unless it has an anonymous Forum. It must also allow the participation of "Wanabees", retired Military aviators, foreigners, journalists (OK Jacko?) etc. In other words, it must look very like the Military Forum of PPRuNe of today.
It would be different in that there would be a Moderator and (s)he would enable the discussions to be more "meaty", knowing that there was a stop line where there was a risk of security being affected.
A reaction time of two years is not bad for MoD. I hope, in fact I'm convinced, that you will get something very like what I suggest in the not too distant future. But it is not surprising that MoD is cautious in implementing it. It is, after all, another quantum leap into the 21st Century they're being asked to make.
There was some discussion about it here, but it soon disappeared down the page...
It'll be a total waste of time unless it has an anonymous Forum. It must also allow the participation of "Wanabees", retired Military aviators, foreigners, journalists (OK Jacko?) etc. In other words, it must look very like the Military Forum of PPRuNe of today.
It would be different in that there would be a Moderator and (s)he would enable the discussions to be more "meaty", knowing that there was a stop line where there was a risk of security being affected.
A reaction time of two years is not bad for MoD. I hope, in fact I'm convinced, that you will get something very like what I suggest in the not too distant future. But it is not surprising that MoD is cautious in implementing it. It is, after all, another quantum leap into the 21st Century they're being asked to make.
