What happens after you prang a jet?
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What happens after you prang a jet?
What happens to aircrew after you prang a jet? Do you get fined like if you crash a military vehicle? Do pilots ever get sacked i.e. grounded permanently? This is assuming it is the pilots fault.
Just wondered is all.
Just wondered is all.
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Board of inquiry; if enough grounds - Court Marshal; if guilty, then "desk job" is an option. If "grounded" re-training required before resuming duties. (Flt Lt Alcock 1976)
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The first thing is to get you back in the air again as quickly as possible barring serious injury, this helps to gain the confidence of flying again, despite the fact that you may be scared stiff!
After every RAF/AAC/Navy prang a Board of Inquiry is set up to find the (known) cause and to apportion blame to pilot/crew error or mechanical failure.
The Board of Inquiry Report is destroyed usually within 20 years, 10 years BEFORE details are released into the public domain after the 30 year rule release point.
The pilot involved in my prang <www> went on to complete a further 7000 hours in addition to his already 5000 hours logged and was given another half ring to the two he already held, he was blamed for the weather related accident.
After every RAF/AAC/Navy prang a Board of Inquiry is set up to find the (known) cause and to apportion blame to pilot/crew error or mechanical failure.
The Board of Inquiry Report is destroyed usually within 20 years, 10 years BEFORE details are released into the public domain after the 30 year rule release point.
The pilot involved in my prang <www> went on to complete a further 7000 hours in addition to his already 5000 hours logged and was given another half ring to the two he already held, he was blamed for the weather related accident.
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If you ever get a chance to look at the news clip of the crew that ditched the Nimrod off Kinloss some time ago [a decade ago?], Look at the expression in the eyes of the captain minutes after he was winched onto the SAR Helo.
His face sums up the responsibility that he felt at the time [although it was revealed later that the engine fire was entirely a design problem].
....at the end of the day, a jet is simply a piece of aluminium when it decides that you will die in it. Based on that, most people will pull the ejection handle [pilot error or not!]. The trick is to recognising the futility of the circumstances at the time, believing in Martin Baker, and making a captaincy D that survival is more important [at the time] than covering errors.
We all have buddies that we ask ourselves 'why didn't he do.......'
A folk story of a PLTOFF at a BOI on a tree strike: [he survived!]
BIO President "Bloggs - do you realise that had you been 10 feet lower, you would not be here.
BLOGGS: "Sir 10 feet higher and I would not be here either!'
His face sums up the responsibility that he felt at the time [although it was revealed later that the engine fire was entirely a design problem].
....at the end of the day, a jet is simply a piece of aluminium when it decides that you will die in it. Based on that, most people will pull the ejection handle [pilot error or not!]. The trick is to recognising the futility of the circumstances at the time, believing in Martin Baker, and making a captaincy D that survival is more important [at the time] than covering errors.
We all have buddies that we ask ourselves 'why didn't he do.......'
A folk story of a PLTOFF at a BOI on a tree strike: [he survived!]
BIO President "Bloggs - do you realise that had you been 10 feet lower, you would not be here.
BLOGGS: "Sir 10 feet higher and I would not be here either!'
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Going off on a slight tangent but considering prangs and promotions:
We were manoeuvring a Sunderland Flying Boat out of its hangar at Seletar after an acceptance Primary Star servicing, this coincidentally was the last flying boat in the UK (Pembroke Dock) to be flown out to Singapore. A sergeant rigger who was i/c the team insisted on the tail trolley being turned at a more oblique angle than usual, much shouting from the erks were totally ignored, the Matador MT driver obeyed his instructions, the hawser was taut and the result was the aircraft slipped off the tail trolley, completely wrinkling the hull, leaving a perfectly serviceable aircraft Cat 5. The sergeant was posted immediately to China Bay and promoted to Flight Sergeant!
We were manoeuvring a Sunderland Flying Boat out of its hangar at Seletar after an acceptance Primary Star servicing, this coincidentally was the last flying boat in the UK (Pembroke Dock) to be flown out to Singapore. A sergeant rigger who was i/c the team insisted on the tail trolley being turned at a more oblique angle than usual, much shouting from the erks were totally ignored, the Matador MT driver obeyed his instructions, the hawser was taut and the result was the aircraft slipped off the tail trolley, completely wrinkling the hull, leaving a perfectly serviceable aircraft Cat 5. The sergeant was posted immediately to China Bay and promoted to Flight Sergeant!
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In the case of the Capt of the BAe 146 that HRH The Prince of Wales pranged off the end of a r/w, blame the poor sod who wasn't flying.
The 2 guys who put a Gazelle in in the Gulf when they did an ultra-low pass waving a sooty glove puppet out of the window lost their wings. S'pose it all depends on what you do and how it happened.
The 2 guys who put a Gazelle in in the Gulf when they did an ultra-low pass waving a sooty glove puppet out of the window lost their wings. S'pose it all depends on what you do and how it happened.
Ask a certain Telegraph-letter-writing SH Nav about post-accident blame following his two 'prangs'.
In the first case he was bollocked for a pilot eff-up and the pilot was promoted. In the second one he did all the heroics and the pilot got the gong.
It does seem to be a maxim that if you want to get promoted you need to be at-fault in a crash.
In the first case he was bollocked for a pilot eff-up and the pilot was promoted. In the second one he did all the heroics and the pilot got the gong.
It does seem to be a maxim that if you want to get promoted you need to be at-fault in a crash.
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The Vulcan Story by Tim Laming Cassell & Co
ISBN 0-304-35845-2
Interesting article here on the return trip from NZ and Oz to Heathrow of the Vulcan that was co-piloted by Air Marshal Harry Broadhurst and needing to land at LHR because of the VIP welcoming committee despite the clamped weather conditions. It appears everything was to blame for the incident but no one got the blame. mmmmmmmmmmmmm.........
ISBN 0-304-35845-2
Interesting article here on the return trip from NZ and Oz to Heathrow of the Vulcan that was co-piloted by Air Marshal Harry Broadhurst and needing to land at LHR because of the VIP welcoming committee despite the clamped weather conditions. It appears everything was to blame for the incident but no one got the blame. mmmmmmmmmmmmm.........
