Vulcan barrell rolling?????
Boeing 707. There's a famous photo showing the podded engines with the sky below and the lake over which it was flying above the wing!
B1 at RIAT (Cottesmore) 2001....during high-energy pull-up (wings swept), right over the airfield....impressive (& v. noisy 
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Not quite as big, but the Italian AF G222 did some rolls during it's displays at RIAT, late '90's (loops by the Ukranian AN72 didn't get past the FCC though, but were seen during validation flights -
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)Not quite as big, but the Italian AF G222 did some rolls during it's displays at RIAT, late '90's (loops by the Ukranian AN72 didn't get past the FCC though, but were seen during validation flights -
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could you post the clip? There is a story of an airliner doing a 1g roll by night enroute, without the pax noticing: it came up in Tech Log last winter, as I recall, probably bollox but amusing all the same.
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I seem to remember that Andy McNab's Bravo Two-Zero mentions the MD twinjet that repatriated prisoners doing a barrel-roll. I have no idea if that is true, but I remember feeling sceptical at the time.
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If the once respected BA Concorde Chief Pilot Brian Walpole is to be believed he was invited by Brian Trubshaw to roll Concorde "the other way" after BT rolled it first.
Never sure about the veracity of the story, but it is on film in the Reach for the Skies series.
By the by, wasn't the Vulcan actually doing a roll off the top after demonstrating a "Blue Steel" launch? The pilot was I think "Roly" Jenkins. The mists of time might find me at fault with this one. But I might be close!
Roly Falk, of course. See, I told you it was misty!
Never sure about the veracity of the story, but it is on film in the Reach for the Skies series.
By the by, wasn't the Vulcan actually doing a roll off the top after demonstrating a "Blue Steel" launch? The pilot was I think "Roly" Jenkins. The mists of time might find me at fault with this one. But I might be close!
Roly Falk, of course. See, I told you it was misty!
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InFin,
The pilot was Roly Falk, who executed the manouvre on climb out after take off.
The Boeing 707 was rolled by Tex Johnston and when he landed his boss asked him what the f*** he was doing, he answered "selling aeroplanes"
http://www.707sim.com/texjohnson.html
The pilot was Roly Falk, who executed the manouvre on climb out after take off.
The Boeing 707 was rolled by Tex Johnston and when he landed his boss asked him what the f*** he was doing, he answered "selling aeroplanes"
http://www.707sim.com/texjohnson.html
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"Vulcans, Victors and Cuba"
On right now on Discovery Sci-Trek (Sky Channel 555). Repeated at 2000 tonight. Quite interesting, just showed a Vulcan barrell rolling.
LXGB
On right now on Discovery Sci-Trek (Sky Channel 555). Repeated at 2000 tonight. Quite interesting, just showed a Vulcan barrell rolling.
LXGB
Well at the end of the Nimrod display it was normal(and allowed in GASOs) to recover from the 40 degree climb angle by rolling to the left using 90 degrees of bank. (Anything more than 90 degrees constituted an aerobatic manoeuvre so was illegal) It was common to have to use up to 110 degrees to keep the g positive during the level off or to stay out of cloud and I must admit it was tempting to just keep going, don't think anybody ever has though!
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WIWOV there were a few captains who claimed they'd barrel rolled a Vulcan (including one of the flight commanders). The only problem, apart from a moaning rear crew, was staying inside the fatigue limit of 2.6g as a 'click' on the fatigue meter would land you deeply in the pooh.
At least one display pilot barrelled overseas in public, claiming that he'd overcooked a wingover and it was the safest way out.
At least one display pilot barrelled overseas in public, claiming that he'd overcooked a wingover and it was the safest way out.
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I know it has been done in a C130 - ask some phantom mates who were in FI early 80's doing fighter affill. Also know of others trying and F**king up. Fortuneately no one hurt but for the grace!!!
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The display roll overseas was a botched wingover. He got a high roll rate on, intending as usual to stop at about 110 deg of bank but almost got upside down. However, he (correctly) figured the safest way out was to continue the high roll rate and in effect did a Derry turn. Apparently impressed CINCSAC, who made a favourable comment to CINC STC sitting next to him, which saved the captains bacon.
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....and some suppository of a Wg Cdr bottom-licker apparently said:"Sir, sir - he shouldn't have done that. Barrel rolls aren't allowed, sir, sir....."
"I didn't see any barrel roll." said C-in-C Strike, turning a Nelsonian eye, "neither, I think you'll find, did you, young man..."
Good chap!
"I didn't see any barrel roll." said C-in-C Strike, turning a Nelsonian eye, "neither, I think you'll find, did you, young man..."
Good chap!
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Wub,
it actually happened! Back in the late 50's or early 60's, my Father was a member of RAE's HPRT. He occasionally told the story of Roly looping the Vulcan at 56,000 ft. He can vouch for this because he was there.
it actually happened! Back in the late 50's or early 60's, my Father was a member of RAE's HPRT. He occasionally told the story of Roly looping the Vulcan at 56,000 ft. He can vouch for this because he was there.