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REICHMANN
nice to be at top of your hit list, however, dissapointed that we are above RAF policemen, even I hate them, although that is probably the result of a mispent youth.
thanks for the banter, have missed it over the past 4 years, heavylift only had direct entry hating the ex AT types.
ps. spec aircrew. is caz one of those girlies that brize atc provide ?
pps. are you still on the run in south america.??
nice to be at top of your hit list, however, dissapointed that we are above RAF policemen, even I hate them, although that is probably the result of a mispent youth.
thanks for the banter, have missed it over the past 4 years, heavylift only had direct entry hating the ex AT types.
ps. spec aircrew. is caz one of those girlies that brize atc provide ?
pps. are you still on the run in south america.??
No - the delightful Caz left HMFC a few years ago now.
But SpecA continues to uphold the tradition of maintaining sound aircrew/ATC liaison with the tower ladies......
But SpecA continues to uphold the tradition of maintaining sound aircrew/ATC liaison with the tower ladies......
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Dear SF Mov I see you display the same attitude as most movers, as "it was probably the aircrew changing their mind not the movers" shows how you seem to be able to give a briefing about a situation you you knew nothing about shifting blame on to everyone else. If cobalt frog is part of the "elite" I picked up, and was complaining, then perhaps him and the other part time weekend warriors could get a herc next time, as there weren't that many of you, and stop wasting our weekends being your taxi service. Nice to know you are being appreciated.
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I'm not sure who SF Mover is refering to when refering to "Ascoteers swaning around the route" could it be those idle crews who have invariably just worked 16 hrs looking forward to 12.5 hours rest having crossed several time zones. Swaning my arse!
SpecA, how could you possibly call this:
http://www.samsonite.com/
'boring'?
It looks very....er...... informative.
http://www.samsonite.com/
'boring'?
It looks very....er...... informative.
Yes but look at the 'Travel Centre' link; the average mover thinks that the 'Fabulous destinations for you and your Samsonite' are supposed to be two different places .
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Really
Kiersaucy not all were TA and even if we were does that make it OK? The cab was late. OK no prob but it would have been polite if someone had just turned round and said why. 12 of the guys there were also mil. pilots and not one of us would turn up late and not explain why. Thanks for the lift, I do believe it's your job?
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"as there weren't that many of you, and stop wasting our weekends being your taxi service"
Thats what I thought the transport fleet was for - either as a taxi service taking pax to their detination or as flying trucks taking frieght to where it needs to go. Apart from being used as fuel tankers that is.
Reminds of the Hercules captain who flew a Caribean trainer to Belize in 1989. He was asked by my Flt Sgt if he had had a good trip the answer was 'No!'
'Oh' said the FS 'whys that then?'
. . . .Lyneham had utilised the aicraft by putting a load on for Belize and Belize had the audacity to put a back load on HIS aircraft!
Thats what I thought the transport fleet was for - either as a taxi service taking pax to their detination or as flying trucks taking frieght to where it needs to go. Apart from being used as fuel tankers that is.
Reminds of the Hercules captain who flew a Caribean trainer to Belize in 1989. He was asked by my Flt Sgt if he had had a good trip the answer was 'No!'
'Oh' said the FS 'whys that then?'
. . . .Lyneham had utilised the aicraft by putting a load on for Belize and Belize had the audacity to put a back load on HIS aircraft!
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SF MOV.. I do hope that the SF in your name refers to something other than the obvious?
After all which members of that 'fraternty' go shouting about what they do for a job? This can only lead me to the conclusion that you must be in Red Troop under 'Henno' (aka Ross Kemp)
as that too is a bunch of ar*e!!
Or maybe it stands for Silly Fat, Stupid F**ker, Samsonite Fouler or just plain Sandwich Fleecer?
Movers are the bain of everyones life. Ditch the green gear and guns as its not yer trade. Stick to being Travel Agents... Which coach did you want me to get on????
After all which members of that 'fraternty' go shouting about what they do for a job? This can only lead me to the conclusion that you must be in Red Troop under 'Henno' (aka Ross Kemp)
as that too is a bunch of ar*e!!
Or maybe it stands for Silly Fat, Stupid F**ker, Samsonite Fouler or just plain Sandwich Fleecer?
Movers are the bain of everyones life. Ditch the green gear and guns as its not yer trade. Stick to being Travel Agents... Which coach did you want me to get on????
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Kaisersaucy,
I am not nor claim to be part of the elite. I am however a military pilot who prides himself on being in the right place at the right time. I realise that technical hitches happen but as Timex (a vastly experienced operator) will back up that all it requires is someone to say what is going on.
If you were vaguely military you would understand concurrent activity.... something we could have got on with if we were informed.
As for being a taxi service....well...YOU ARE!
Work harder next time and you could fly jets!!
Don't bring down the rest of your fraternity who are exceptional blokes with a comment like that!
I am not nor claim to be part of the elite. I am however a military pilot who prides himself on being in the right place at the right time. I realise that technical hitches happen but as Timex (a vastly experienced operator) will back up that all it requires is someone to say what is going on.
If you were vaguely military you would understand concurrent activity.... something we could have got on with if we were informed.
As for being a taxi service....well...YOU ARE!
Work harder next time and you could fly jets!!
Don't bring down the rest of your fraternity who are exceptional blokes with a comment like that!
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Dear cobalt frog,
According to the schedual we we given, I thought we were on time. Apologies if the movers hadn't told you of any change/ delay we knew nothing about. Yes we are a taxi service, no arguement there. It would be nice if this overstretched resource was overstretched on something else, a bit more specialised than taking t.a. on their boy scout weekends. I think my annoyance is directed to our "superiors" who fiddle whist Rome burns, not at the boys and girls using the taxi service. I have no problem with the t.a. as long as the regulars have enough kit and people to do their job, (not forgetting the reservists that presently are full timers plugging some of the gaps)
As for not being good enough for fast jets, you are probably right. Thank you for pointing that out, a true military aviator if ever there was one, but I still feel that I would be even more disalusioned with that , than I am now. If the sight of the crew buying d.f.'s whilst the a/c is turned round makes you want to complain on a forum like this, perhaps you have issues yourself. I hope you don't reply as this forum really does bring out the very worst in me.
According to the schedual we we given, I thought we were on time. Apologies if the movers hadn't told you of any change/ delay we knew nothing about. Yes we are a taxi service, no arguement there. It would be nice if this overstretched resource was overstretched on something else, a bit more specialised than taking t.a. on their boy scout weekends. I think my annoyance is directed to our "superiors" who fiddle whist Rome burns, not at the boys and girls using the taxi service. I have no problem with the t.a. as long as the regulars have enough kit and people to do their job, (not forgetting the reservists that presently are full timers plugging some of the gaps)
As for not being good enough for fast jets, you are probably right. Thank you for pointing that out, a true military aviator if ever there was one, but I still feel that I would be even more disalusioned with that , than I am now. If the sight of the crew buying d.f.'s whilst the a/c is turned round makes you want to complain on a forum like this, perhaps you have issues yourself. I hope you don't reply as this forum really does bring out the very worst in me.
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So lets get this straight....
The passengers say the aircraft was 2 hours late.
The crew say the aircraft was on time.
Just a thought, (apart from it was all the movers fault) the
Czech Republic is 2 hours ahead of GMT.
If the pax were expecting the aircraft at, for example, 12:00 local, the GMT time would have been 10:00. Perhaps that could explain an apparent 2 hour delay.
No reason to tell the passengers the aircraft was delayed because ... it wasn't!!!
Apologises to the movers???.......Doubt that will be forthcomming
The passengers say the aircraft was 2 hours late.
The crew say the aircraft was on time.
Just a thought, (apart from it was all the movers fault) the
Czech Republic is 2 hours ahead of GMT.
If the pax were expecting the aircraft at, for example, 12:00 local, the GMT time would have been 10:00. Perhaps that could explain an apparent 2 hour delay.
No reason to tell the passengers the aircraft was delayed because ... it wasn't!!!
Apologises to the movers???.......Doubt that will be forthcomming
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Doesnt everyone in the RAF put SF into there job description.... even the pilots?
There was a time (when NVGs were newish) that every crab who could fly at night introduced themselves as SF something something something......
Of course the venerable RN 'junglies', Booties and AAC are all "SF" crews...... but of course they never use such titles to glamourise our own worth.
And while Im at it, why on earth do you wear 'wings' on a woolly pully, and on your combats, whats all that about? All a bit posy isnt it lads?
Cobaltfrog: At the risk of supporting the crabs, pilots, loadies, movers et al........ there was almost certainly a good reason; the crabs only real crime is that they are so full of their own importance (as highlighted by the answers above) that you the pax, the customer, are never ever told what the delay is, or why. (Its a customer relations problem). Then again, as they are all SF, I guess its a secret.
1997, Exercise Ocean Wave:
After 5 months away from Blighty we launched on the venerable VC10 from Singapore. Unfortunately after take-off the flaps took 45mins to retract...obviously a snag somewhere.
Landed in Sri Lanka and pressed again.... great seats on the -10, but again over half an hour to get the flaps up.
Landed in Oman and surprise surprise were told they had discovered a flap problem out of Colombo!
3 nights at the Muscat Intercontinental while they flew the aircraft back to the UK (no pax allowed apparently) and then returned to pick us up.
Chatting to a loadie (by the pool) I enquired about the double standard..Happy to carry pax out of Sri Lanka...not happy out of Oman?
Ans: "Allowances old boy..... far better in Oman."
Credit where credit is due though: Hotel, phone calls, food and wine - it was the most organised part of the experience...... and nothing better than watching 40+ matelots tuck into Lobster Bisque on someone elses expense account.
Now Im in the trash hauling business myself - I kind of understand. (But Colombo is a good run-ashore!)
There was a time (when NVGs were newish) that every crab who could fly at night introduced themselves as SF something something something......
Of course the venerable RN 'junglies', Booties and AAC are all "SF" crews...... but of course they never use such titles to glamourise our own worth.
And while Im at it, why on earth do you wear 'wings' on a woolly pully, and on your combats, whats all that about? All a bit posy isnt it lads?
Cobaltfrog: At the risk of supporting the crabs, pilots, loadies, movers et al........ there was almost certainly a good reason; the crabs only real crime is that they are so full of their own importance (as highlighted by the answers above) that you the pax, the customer, are never ever told what the delay is, or why. (Its a customer relations problem). Then again, as they are all SF, I guess its a secret.
1997, Exercise Ocean Wave:
After 5 months away from Blighty we launched on the venerable VC10 from Singapore. Unfortunately after take-off the flaps took 45mins to retract...obviously a snag somewhere.
Landed in Sri Lanka and pressed again.... great seats on the -10, but again over half an hour to get the flaps up.
Landed in Oman and surprise surprise were told they had discovered a flap problem out of Colombo!
3 nights at the Muscat Intercontinental while they flew the aircraft back to the UK (no pax allowed apparently) and then returned to pick us up.
Chatting to a loadie (by the pool) I enquired about the double standard..Happy to carry pax out of Sri Lanka...not happy out of Oman?
Ans: "Allowances old boy..... far better in Oman."
Credit where credit is due though: Hotel, phone calls, food and wine - it was the most organised part of the experience...... and nothing better than watching 40+ matelots tuck into Lobster Bisque on someone elses expense account.
Now Im in the trash hauling business myself - I kind of understand. (But Colombo is a good run-ashore!)
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In 1997 the sudden and unannounced arrival of a large contingent of UK servicemen in Sri Lanka for a few days might well have attracted the unwelcome attention of the Tamil Tigers, (Colombo branch)!
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Another reason civvies turn quicker
According to Southwest, Easyjet, et al, the only way they generate revenue is flying someone somewhere, not waiting on the ground for someone to unload/load/service/clear up administrivia. While it may be an additional cost(paychecks), a good dispatcher/ramp team is essential to a revenue-generating, profitability-seeking business enterprise. Revenue, profitability, profits. Find these words in GASOs or QRs? Think about that the next time time you are waiting in ar$efcuk for no apparent reason or stuck on actuals in the Mandaly Bay in Vegas. Delta Air Lines requires their front-enders to make a pax announcement every 15 minutes they are delayed with a description/update. They have realized that happy and informed folks are more willing to part with their hard-earned dosh the next time they have travel plans. Find out what profit or revenue targets the RAF/MoD has set and you'll understand why your delay/lack of service receives the attention it does.
sf mov - Bobby Flash and Scouser were the best chaps to work with at their respective bases, but then they weren't too bothered by the rest of the RAF - muppets or aircrew.
sf mov - Bobby Flash and Scouser were the best chaps to work with at their respective bases, but then they weren't too bothered by the rest of the RAF - muppets or aircrew.
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Reichmann
Have just read your burblings of the 24th Sep - you need help! I have spoken to some of your enemy (movers) and they say that their SNCOs are having an annual Top Table at a base 'somewhere in Wiltshire' on Nov 29th and wonder if you'd be the guest speaker? You will not be paid but they promise a whip round to go towards some phsyciatric help.... I wish I was perfect.
Have just read your burblings of the 24th Sep - you need help! I have spoken to some of your enemy (movers) and they say that their SNCOs are having an annual Top Table at a base 'somewhere in Wiltshire' on Nov 29th and wonder if you'd be the guest speaker? You will not be paid but they promise a whip round to go towards some phsyciatric help.... I wish I was perfect.
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Dear Mr Mole
What took you so long to reply to my 24th Sep "burblings"? Did the Movers lose your PC? Still nice to get a bite though.
On the subject of the Top Table on 29th Nov: I would love to attend; however, I'm on detachment
. Don't despair though, I will be in a hotel, on rates and there aren't any bag smashers... er ... movers involved at all .
Breakfast in Brize, lunch in Washington, bags in Akrotiri.
Luv
Reichman
What took you so long to reply to my 24th Sep "burblings"? Did the Movers lose your PC? Still nice to get a bite though.
On the subject of the Top Table on 29th Nov: I would love to attend; however, I'm on detachment
. Don't despair though, I will be in a hotel, on rates and there aren't any bag smashers... er ... movers involved at all .Breakfast in Brize, lunch in Washington, bags in Akrotiri.
Luv
Reichman
