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Nice one matey and as an ex HTI I know exactly where you are coming from. But bearing in mind the whole reason AT and SH fly from a to b is not for the enjoyment of the WHOLE crew but to take the contents of "said beast" to where it wants to be, which takes the WHOLE crew, you have to wonder what on earth CK etc are on about. However please please please lets not let this degenerate into a "my seats more important than yours" bun fight.
I had a pretty good go at making my piece with those I had offended by apologising and stating my case towards the top of this page, it was only banter and I apologise AGAIN
But a look through my obvious bad taste here and anywhere I else I have pruned and I cannot remember a case where I felt the need to "offer someone outside", albeit through some witty alias. Not even here where the slander aimed at all ALM's because of MY comments is totally undeserved. have I or my colleagues been reduced to that.
I make a sweeping assumption in that those making said offer on here are in fact from the offended branch and if so surely as commisioned officers you should be able to "anti banter" me with out all these rather foolish threats of physical violence, after all as you have pointed out I am only a thick loadie..................lets hope jacko is not taking notes
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Nice one matey and as an ex HTI I know exactly where you are coming from. But bearing in mind the whole reason AT and SH fly from a to b is not for the enjoyment of the WHOLE crew but to take the contents of "said beast" to where it wants to be, which takes the WHOLE crew, you have to wonder what on earth CK etc are on about. However please please please lets not let this degenerate into a "my seats more important than yours" bun fight.
I had a pretty good go at making my piece with those I had offended by apologising and stating my case towards the top of this page, it was only banter and I apologise AGAIN
But a look through my obvious bad taste here and anywhere I else I have pruned and I cannot remember a case where I felt the need to "offer someone outside", albeit through some witty alias. Not even here where the slander aimed at all ALM's because of MY comments is totally undeserved. have I or my colleagues been reduced to that.
I make a sweeping assumption in that those making said offer on here are in fact from the offended branch and if so surely as commisioned officers you should be able to "anti banter" me with out all these rather foolish threats of physical violence, after all as you have pointed out I am only a thick loadie..................lets hope jacko is not taking notes
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This topic is really brightening up, my otherwise dull life!
I am interested though, Who does have the most important seat in the Herk role?
Hmmmm, tricky. Pilots? No, not really. Loadie? Closer? actually, I think it probably isn't anyone in the crew at all. Since the purpose of the craft is to deliver something, somewhere, it follows that the recipient of the "Something" is the most important chap; As without the requirement for the "Thing" there is no role at all!
Funny old world isn't it?
I still like Navs though (Purely in a professional sense, you understand!) I'd be interested if Mr Broken has a different view.
Regards to all,
CSAS
I am interested though, Who does have the most important seat in the Herk role?
Hmmmm, tricky. Pilots? No, not really. Loadie? Closer? actually, I think it probably isn't anyone in the crew at all. Since the purpose of the craft is to deliver something, somewhere, it follows that the recipient of the "Something" is the most important chap; As without the requirement for the "Thing" there is no role at all!
Funny old world isn't it?
I still like Navs though (Purely in a professional sense, you understand!) I'd be interested if Mr Broken has a different view.
Regards to all,
CSAS
Always Broken
Oh where to start. First of all I AM A NAV! I have also done several tours on Alberts, which I only say to establish my crediblity - or probably lack of it in your eyes. Oh yes, and I do not stink of ****!!
As to your comments..
"..why are there not loads of our spatialy unaware brethren crossing over?....."
You may be interested to know that the nav to pilot crossover has been stopped because we are now shorter of fast jet navs than fast jet pilots, and in the bit of the RAF I am now in lots of navs did/tried to cross over! Maybe some of the guys at Lyneham settled for staying in Wiltshire.
"....no guy stinking of **** in the corner...."
You pass this off as banter. It seems to be an excuse used by lots of people these days (like "A Civilians" comments on another thread, wishing lots of aircrew would die in the next Gulf War, being excused as "just banter") for writing any insulting crap you like and then justifying it or attacking anybody who criticises what you have written. "Can't you take some banter, etc.." Grow up and welcome to the real world!
".. not being able to identify a single town on the radar for 7 hours, telling us all he has Swindy parts on the screen 50 miles out from home...."
Well yes I could find Swindon on the radar, and Goole in training on Dominies (and lots of radar fixes - Corby etc), and in a Herc I could find Akrotiri, Ali al Salem, Goose Bay, Gander, Gib, Bath, Dusseldorf, Pristina.... The list goes on. When I was on the fleet it was a sort of standing joke to announce the finding of Swindon on the way back in, a sort of ritual. MAYBE IT WAS BANTER!!! The radar in the transit was generally left at a tilt so that it was looking for Weather rather than mapping the ground!!! If there was no weather about it was used in ground map to help in the approach to the field. Maybe if you knew more about what the nav was doing, instead of just taking the ****....
".. they have removed the seating for all the white noise, who normally stink of **** and replaced it with automation..."
When I first started at Lyneham there was no such thing as GPS, and you crossed major oceans (other than the Atlantic) using just doppler and astro. Today all the navs at Lyneham know/knew that in terms of route flying their job could easily be replaced by modern avionics. But it was not installed so they remained. Does that make them any less of human beings that you feel free to insult them!!
"As your "gang" gets smaller my "gang" gets bigger..."
So the ALM branch is getting bigger in size, that doesn't necessarily mean they are getting more important, just that we need more of them!!
Most of the people who defended navs in reply to your tosh were actually non navs, why? One good reason is that navs are used to having the **** taken out of them, the instructors start it in training to toughen up the studes. We have heard them all before, from the FJ pilot who says he would rather have the fuel (your 90 kg comment was not original), to the "no daughter of mine will marry a nav", and even the Aussie CSRO who says the Aussie's have navs in F-111s to give the sharks something to eat while the pilot swims to safety. Your could start a whole thread of nav jokes, and we would have heard most of them before. So your comments were nothing special. I would not even have bothered to write all this if I wasn't on Pprune to add a serious comment on another thread!!
I think "flipster" gave a pretty good reply to your drivel. I enjoyed my time on Hercs. It was a good size crew, and I got on with most people and repected them for their ability and the wings/brevet they wore. On threads a while ago a chap called "Flaps 62" (I think) wrote some rather withering stuff about airmen aircrew and retention bonus's. I nearly wrote in reply saying I had worked with airman aircrew for years, and they were some of the most professional and hardworking people I had ever met, often more competent than the officers. Maybe I was mistaken.The likes of yourself just play into the hands of people like Flaps 62.
Yes you have apologised, but might it not have been better to say nothing in the first place. I presume from you comments you did some time on a Herc Sqn with K model, did you tell the navs on the Sqn then what you thought of them?? If so how did they repond?
Anybody who flys with me professionally desrves my respect just for passing the training system and being there, and if it all goes wrong we will all be in the mire TOGETHER!
I suggest you grow up, given your age that is unlikely, or shut up!! I do not intend to start trading "comments" with you, so this is my one and only inject on this matter (I hope!)
Oh where to start. First of all I AM A NAV! I have also done several tours on Alberts, which I only say to establish my crediblity - or probably lack of it in your eyes. Oh yes, and I do not stink of ****!!
As to your comments..
"..why are there not loads of our spatialy unaware brethren crossing over?....."
You may be interested to know that the nav to pilot crossover has been stopped because we are now shorter of fast jet navs than fast jet pilots, and in the bit of the RAF I am now in lots of navs did/tried to cross over! Maybe some of the guys at Lyneham settled for staying in Wiltshire.
"....no guy stinking of **** in the corner...."
You pass this off as banter. It seems to be an excuse used by lots of people these days (like "A Civilians" comments on another thread, wishing lots of aircrew would die in the next Gulf War, being excused as "just banter") for writing any insulting crap you like and then justifying it or attacking anybody who criticises what you have written. "Can't you take some banter, etc.." Grow up and welcome to the real world!
".. not being able to identify a single town on the radar for 7 hours, telling us all he has Swindy parts on the screen 50 miles out from home...."
Well yes I could find Swindon on the radar, and Goole in training on Dominies (and lots of radar fixes - Corby etc), and in a Herc I could find Akrotiri, Ali al Salem, Goose Bay, Gander, Gib, Bath, Dusseldorf, Pristina.... The list goes on. When I was on the fleet it was a sort of standing joke to announce the finding of Swindon on the way back in, a sort of ritual. MAYBE IT WAS BANTER!!! The radar in the transit was generally left at a tilt so that it was looking for Weather rather than mapping the ground!!! If there was no weather about it was used in ground map to help in the approach to the field. Maybe if you knew more about what the nav was doing, instead of just taking the ****....
".. they have removed the seating for all the white noise, who normally stink of **** and replaced it with automation..."
When I first started at Lyneham there was no such thing as GPS, and you crossed major oceans (other than the Atlantic) using just doppler and astro. Today all the navs at Lyneham know/knew that in terms of route flying their job could easily be replaced by modern avionics. But it was not installed so they remained. Does that make them any less of human beings that you feel free to insult them!!
"As your "gang" gets smaller my "gang" gets bigger..."
So the ALM branch is getting bigger in size, that doesn't necessarily mean they are getting more important, just that we need more of them!!
Most of the people who defended navs in reply to your tosh were actually non navs, why? One good reason is that navs are used to having the **** taken out of them, the instructors start it in training to toughen up the studes. We have heard them all before, from the FJ pilot who says he would rather have the fuel (your 90 kg comment was not original), to the "no daughter of mine will marry a nav", and even the Aussie CSRO who says the Aussie's have navs in F-111s to give the sharks something to eat while the pilot swims to safety. Your could start a whole thread of nav jokes, and we would have heard most of them before. So your comments were nothing special. I would not even have bothered to write all this if I wasn't on Pprune to add a serious comment on another thread!!
I think "flipster" gave a pretty good reply to your drivel. I enjoyed my time on Hercs. It was a good size crew, and I got on with most people and repected them for their ability and the wings/brevet they wore. On threads a while ago a chap called "Flaps 62" (I think) wrote some rather withering stuff about airmen aircrew and retention bonus's. I nearly wrote in reply saying I had worked with airman aircrew for years, and they were some of the most professional and hardworking people I had ever met, often more competent than the officers. Maybe I was mistaken.The likes of yourself just play into the hands of people like Flaps 62.
Yes you have apologised, but might it not have been better to say nothing in the first place. I presume from you comments you did some time on a Herc Sqn with K model, did you tell the navs on the Sqn then what you thought of them?? If so how did they repond?
Anybody who flys with me professionally desrves my respect just for passing the training system and being there, and if it all goes wrong we will all be in the mire TOGETHER!
I suggest you grow up, given your age that is unlikely, or shut up!! I do not intend to start trading "comments" with you, so this is my one and only inject on this matter (I hope!)
.....you f@@k one sheep
