Czech’s eye C-390
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https://www.defensenews.com/air/2023...aircraft-deal/
Czech Republic enters talks with Embraer for C-390 aircraft deal
WARSAW, Poland — The Czech government is entering negotiations to buy an undisclosed number of Embraer C-390 Millennium transport aircraft for the nation’s military, the Defence Ministry announced Tuesday.
“The Armed Forces of the Czech Republic currently do not own a medium- and long-range aircraft with a flight time of at least 12 hours which would also be capable of taking off and landing at airports with unpaved runways,” the ministry said in a statement.
The Czech company Aero Vodochody supplies to Brazil’s Embraer various components used to make the C-390.
It’s unclear how much the planned acquisition is worth…..
Czech Republic enters talks with Embraer for C-390 aircraft deal
WARSAW, Poland — The Czech government is entering negotiations to buy an undisclosed number of Embraer C-390 Millennium transport aircraft for the nation’s military, the Defence Ministry announced Tuesday.
“The Armed Forces of the Czech Republic currently do not own a medium- and long-range aircraft with a flight time of at least 12 hours which would also be capable of taking off and landing at airports with unpaved runways,” the ministry said in a statement.
The Czech company Aero Vodochody supplies to Brazil’s Embraer various components used to make the C-390.
It’s unclear how much the planned acquisition is worth…..
“The Armed Forces of the Czech Republic currently do not own a medium- and long-range aircraft with a flight time of at least 12 hours which would also be capable of taking off and landing at airports with unpaved runways,” the ministry said in a statement.
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https://www.reuters.com/business/aer...ft-2023-10-17/
The Czech Defence Ministry said it wanted to negotiate the shortest possible delivery time for the aircraft, which it noted could be used for evacuations from crisis areas.
The Czech Republic, which is ramping up defence spending to meet its NATO commitments, currently lacks aircraft in the niche for medium and long haul flights.
Embraer had been long courting the country for an order as the company's defence unit aims to expand its footprint abroad.
The Czech Republic, which is ramping up defence spending to meet its NATO commitments, currently lacks aircraft in the niche for medium and long haul flights.
Embraer had been long courting the country for an order as the company's defence unit aims to expand its footprint abroad.
I would have thought some of the prematurely retired UK C130J fleet would fit the bill. Especially as the UK will probably give them away . Or have they already been spoken for ?
Nothing publicly announced. Interstingly, Austria recently looked at surplus C-130Js (don't know whose) but decided against in favour of new KC-390s.
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1. They are a NATO member. Having useful medium airlift as a force offering is a worthwhile position to be in.
2. If they want one or ten, what's it to you?
It's their force mix, their Air Force, their country, and their money.
Embraer has a number of European customers for the 390.
EDIT: also Portugal, a European customer. Thanks Mil-26 Man.
why would the Czech Republic need such a capability?
2. If they want one or ten, what's it to you?
It's their force mix, their Air Force, their country, and their money.Embraer has a number of European customers for the 390.
Austrian Air Force – 4 C-390 ordered in 2023 to replace the ageing C-130K with deliveries expected to begin in 2026.
Czech Air Force – 2 KC-390 Millennium selected in October 2023 for its future aerial refuelling and fixed-wing medium-lift transport requirements.
Hungarian Air Force – 2 C-390 Millennium ordered in 2020
Royal Netherlands Air Force - selected the C-390 in 2022 with 5 airlifters to be order to replace its C-130H with deliveries expected to begin in 2026.
(I don't disagree that C-130J would seem to be a good choice, but it's not the only choice).Czech Air Force – 2 KC-390 Millennium selected in October 2023 for its future aerial refuelling and fixed-wing medium-lift transport requirements.
Hungarian Air Force – 2 C-390 Millennium ordered in 2020
Royal Netherlands Air Force - selected the C-390 in 2022 with 5 airlifters to be order to replace its C-130H with deliveries expected to begin in 2026.
EDIT: also Portugal, a European customer. Thanks Mil-26 Man.
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Lyneham Lad
1. They are a NATO member. Having useful medium airlift as a force offering is a worthwhile position to be in.
2. If they want one or ten, what's it to you? It's their force mix, their Air Force, their country, and their money.
Embraer has a number of European customers for the 390.
Austria: Austrian Air Force – 4 C-390 ordered in 2023 to replace the ageing C-130K with deliveries expected to begin in 2026.
Czech Republic: Czech Air Force – 2 KC-390 Millennium selected in October 2023 for its future aerial refuelling and fixed-wing medium-lift transport requirements.
Hungary: Hungarian Air Force – 2 C-390 Millennium ordered in 2020
Netherlands: Royal Netherlands Air Force - selected the C-390 in 2022 with 5 airlifters to be order to replace its C-130H with deliveries expected to begin in 2026.
(I don't disagree that C-130J would seem to be a good choice, but it's not the only choice).
1. They are a NATO member. Having useful medium airlift as a force offering is a worthwhile position to be in.
2. If they want one or ten, what's it to you?
It's their force mix, their Air Force, their country, and their money.Embraer has a number of European customers for the 390.
Austria: Austrian Air Force – 4 C-390 ordered in 2023 to replace the ageing C-130K with deliveries expected to begin in 2026.
Czech Republic: Czech Air Force – 2 KC-390 Millennium selected in October 2023 for its future aerial refuelling and fixed-wing medium-lift transport requirements. Hungary: Hungarian Air Force – 2 C-390 Millennium ordered in 2020 Netherlands: Royal Netherlands Air Force - selected the C-390 in 2022 with 5 airlifters to be order to replace its C-130H with deliveries expected to begin in 2026.(I don't disagree that C-130J would seem to be a good choice, but it's not the only choice).
The Czechs do actually have access to a medium-lift (and even strategic lift) capability via SALIS and the MMU/MMF, but this would help them bring more to the NATO party themselves.
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I would also imagine with the purchase of Vipers and Grippens etc of late, it would have sense to have the airlift capability to ferry spares from the USA and Sweden along with shuttling about items like engines for overhaul.
Plus the military also get about serving in many countries.
https://www.army.cz/scripts/detail.php?id=5807
Plus the military also get about serving in many countries.
https://www.army.cz/scripts/detail.php?id=5807
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The Czech government has taken the view it needs to be serious about defence, presumably partly due to the antics of mad Vlad. As SpazSinbad posted on the F-35 thread it has already moved to replace its Grippens with F-35s when the leases run out in 2027 Czechia announces it’s buying 24 F-35 multi-role fighter jets from the U.S. for USD 6.5 billion it is also considering purchasing up to 77 Leopard 2A8 tanks in addition to the 15 Leopard 2A4s German is supplying by the end of this year. They have stated they will be "Spending 2% GDP on defence as the baseline". A contract for 246 Swedish-made CV90 armoured fighting vehicles was signed in May.
Czech Prime Minister Petr Fiala stated “Modernisation is absolutely crucial and we are demonstrating by concrete steps that we take the modernisation of Czech Armed Forces truly seriously,”
According to Lt General Řehka (Chief of the General Staff), “the modernisation wave” will take approximately seven years, while the Czech Armed Forces will be integrating the new equipment into their systems and interconnecting it with the existing one. They will also focus on the implementation of new technology. Modernisation does not bring the work of military professionals to an end, on the contrary: “everything must be tried out, introduced into the Armed Forces, implemented, and integrated with the existing equipment. We often have to adjust organisational structures, training and so forth. It is not only the modernisation of equipment, but of mindset and training,”
Shame the message hasn't crossed the English Channel.
Czech Prime Minister Petr Fiala stated “Modernisation is absolutely crucial and we are demonstrating by concrete steps that we take the modernisation of Czech Armed Forces truly seriously,”
According to Lt General Řehka (Chief of the General Staff), “the modernisation wave” will take approximately seven years, while the Czech Armed Forces will be integrating the new equipment into their systems and interconnecting it with the existing one. They will also focus on the implementation of new technology. Modernisation does not bring the work of military professionals to an end, on the contrary: “everything must be tried out, introduced into the Armed Forces, implemented, and integrated with the existing equipment. We often have to adjust organisational structures, training and so forth. It is not only the modernisation of equipment, but of mindset and training,”
Shame the message hasn't crossed the English Channel.
seems as if it's going to be the go-to small medium range transport ................. not much competition
In other words, Dave offered a smart-assed remark rather than an intelligent discussion of an aircraft's capability.
I took it to mean that (as in any such rigorous requirements-definition exercise) one would start with a known (The C-130. How might we obtain the capabilities of three?) and perform the calculations necessary to clarify a viable alternative.
(Or maybe Lonewolf is onto something!)
(Or maybe Lonewolf is onto something!)
As for the aircraft's capability, I think that's pretty well documented by now without needing me to add anything ...
Yeah. 
Maybe go back to FR 24 parsing and leave the military discussion for those with a clue.
As to the attempted joke, as I have been told more than once, don't quite your day job for a new career as a comedian.
As to the attempted joke, as I have been told more than once, don't quite your day job for a new career as a comedian.
(Or maybe Lonewolf is onto something!)