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Old 6th Oct 2023, 13:23
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Hand Grenade vs. Legacy 600

Is it really feasible let alone likely that a hand grenade going off in the cabin of such a sizeable aircraft would bring it down?
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well if it set off the 100 kg of Semtex someone loaded in the tail compartment................
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Probably better to ask if it is feasible Vladimir Vladimirovich is telling the truth?

Of course it is possible the grenades were let off after the crash
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I believe that a grenade failed to bring down a Phillipines BAC 1-11. The aircraft was repaired and a second attempt also failed to bring it down. Both times the toilet was chosen.
Gives credit to the saying "Built Like A Brick Sh1t House". I heard this from a Filipino 1-11 fitter.

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I believe that a grenade failed to bring down a Phillipines BAC 1-11. The aircraft was repaired and a second attempt also failed to bring it down. Both times the toilet was chosen.
Gives credit to the saying "Built Like A Brick Sh1t House". I heard this from a Filipino 1-11 fitter.

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Flash in the pan?
Thunderbox?
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A bomb disguised as a boom box brought down a 747 over Lockerbie.
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Embraer aren't built like the BACjet(none of them are). I believe it was in Rio de sul, that the fa's called up after a particularly heavy landing, and asked the crew if they wanted to evacuate......why? Because the pax In back row were looking through a hole in top of the fuselage, bent it.like a banana. Anyone is free to correct me this.was prob 20 yrs ago
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Probably better to ask if it is feasible Vladimir Vladimirovich is telling the truth?
Yes, not so much a question of whether a grenade could go off without causing the aircraft to crash, as of whether the aircraft could crash without a grenade going off ...
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Depends upon the Grenade I would suggest.....having thrown a few of various kinds in my formative youth.
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A 330ml can has been used to attack a civil aircraft before, there is no reason why a grenade exploded in a pressurised cabin couldn't bring down an aircraft. However, I find it unlikely, as I believe the russian state brought down prigozhins aircraft with an explosive device planted at the departure airport.
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The damage to the separated wing looks consistent with a bomb in the wheel well. Metal is mainly pushed away from that direction and the landing gear mount is bent, making the gear appear extended. Had an explosion sufficient to do that originated inside the cabin it would have been likely, along with the differential pressure, to rupture the fuselage into two pieces.

It is possible that there was also a grenade. It seems to me the General might have been prepared with a parachute and the bomber made sure that leaving would not be an option.
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The damage to the separated wing looks consistent with a bomb in the wheel well. Metal is mainly pushed away from that direction and the landing gear mount is bent, making the gear appear extended. Had an explosion sufficient to do that originated inside the cabin it would have been likely, along with the differential pressure, to rupture the fuselage into two pieces.

It is possible that there was also a grenade. It seems to me the General might have been prepared with a parachute and the bomber made sure that leaving would not be an option.
grenade next to the auxiliary tank in front of the wheel well?
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Maybe - but there weren't the holes that I would expect from a close fragmentary grenade; there was a lot of pushing and peeling.
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Wouldn’t a grenade need some sort of mechanical device to pull a pin? Really complicates things. Much easier to have an ied with a timer or altimeter linked to an electrical circuit.
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Wouldn’t a grenade need some sort of mechanical device to pull a pin? Really complicates things. Much easier to have an ied with a timer or altimeter linked to an electrical circuit.
I think you're missing the point, namely the proposition that the occupants of the aircraft, supposedly under the influence of drugs or alcohol, had mishandled the grenades that they themselves had brought on board.
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Maybe they were batting a grenade around with a tennis racquet and the pin got caught on the strings
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Originally Posted by Compass Call
I believe that a grenade failed to bring down a Phillipines BAC 1-11. The aircraft was repaired and a second attempt also failed to bring it down. Both times the toilet was chosen.
Gives credit to the saying "Built Like A Brick Sh1t House". I heard this from a Filipino 1-11 fitter.

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My Father went to the Phillipines to organise the repair the first time it happened. They did a temporary repair so the aircraft could be flown to the UK for a rebuild at the factory. The second time the repair was carried out in the Phillipines.
Same Captain both times.
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