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You just will not believe this, the Mighty Belfast may return

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Old 5th Oct 2023, 13:44
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This sounds like it might be US-registered since August:
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Originally Posted by Dave Gittins
Don't know much about it but from a reuse point of view would that require a C of A ? and would that not require a design authority and an OEM spare parts supply for the airframe and the Tyne's. Cannot see Shorts and Rolls Royce being about and up for that.

In that case I can only assume it'd have to go on a permit to fly, like the Vulcan, which puts all sorts of restrictions on it, like limiting it to the country where the permit is issued and prohibiting commercial use.

Seem to recall all these arguments being rehearsed when the bearded pullover wanted to bring Concorde back.

the c of a was done by the initial civilian operator and required a stick shaker to be added which I think was done via one of the autopilot channels and trident gear. The design authority was purchased and used to reside with them. I might be wrong but part of my beer addled brain smells to remember this so there you go
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Originally Posted by ICM
The development from circa 1955 of what became the Belfast is detailed over several pages of C H Barnes' book, "Shorts Aircraft Since 1900." It seems that all manner of versions were considered along the way - and the original name appears to have been the 'Britannic.'
So named because the original design basically used the wing and other components from the Britannia (in the same way the Argosy wing was originally derived from the Shackleton) - both developed beyond that before final design
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Originally Posted by Dave Sharpe
It would appear that this Aircraft has been on the Civil Register (some years ago) in an African country -as 9L-LDQ
It has also been RP-C8020, which is a Phillipine registration. 9L- is Sierra Leone. This particular Belfast has been everywhere... 😉
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All be it very slowly….
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Originally Posted by Davef68
So named because the original design basically used the wing and other components from the Britannia (in the same way the Argosy wing was originally derived from the Shackleton) - both developed beyond that before final design
The same as the Halifax wing being used on the Hastings.
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Old 5th Oct 2023, 20:42
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And apparently the pre-war Bombay wing was recycled on the Bristol Freighter.
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
Moving fire fighting choppers apparently - more discussion in the thread I've linked above on the Aussie forum
Now that makes complete sense. Using the Belslow that is. I mean there's never any need to hurry to get a chopper to a fire. Is there?
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Old 17th Oct 2023, 10:28
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It's all relative, I guess that compared to a chopper's cruising speed and possible stage length, the Belfast could offer a significant improvement.
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Old 17th Oct 2023, 10:43
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Originally Posted by chevvron
Bit further south I would think, maybe Maidstone.
I once took a Galaxy from Farnborough to Mildenhall at 2,400ft which must have surprised quite a few people.
Missed your earlier posts, the Belfasts almost certainly flew within Tyne earshot of my then home, probably when I was away tho. (Speaking of Farnborough radar and big aeroplanes, Dan-Air 707s used to occasionally transit from Gatters to Lasham over my school in VFR weather, I'd swear they were no more than 1000' AGL! Happy days... )
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Originally Posted by Jhieminga
It's all relative, I guess that compared to a chopper's cruising speed and possible stage length, the Belfast could offer a significant improvement.
Add in the time to prepare the helicopter for transport, transport in the mighty bird, then unload and prepare for flight and it could be a close run thing!
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Add in the time to prepare the helicopter for transport, transport in the mighty bird, then unload and prepare for flight and it could be a close run thing!
Think the idea is moving between fire seasons, e.g. US to Australia
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S-64s have been fire fighting in Greece this summer and I know one was operating in NE England or Scotland for a few weeks a year or three back, erecting pylons. I think it was brought over on a ship.
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
Think the idea is moving between fire seasons, e.g. US to Australia
So more of a range issue than a speed issue - just as well
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Certainly a range issue on many occasions. In July 1970, what else had we to take a Sea King to the States for testing?
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Originally Posted by ICM
Certainly a range issue on many occasions. In July 1970, what else had we to take a Sea King to the States for testing?
Ship?
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Originally Posted by treadigraph
Missed your earlier posts, the Belfasts almost certainly flew within Tyne earshot of my then home, probably when I was away tho. (Speaking of Farnborough radar and big aeroplanes, Dan-Air 707s used to occasionally transit from Gatters to Lasham over my school in VFR weather, I'd swear they were no more than 1000' AGL! Happy days... )
More often it was DC8s operated by MK Airlines; we would position them on final for 27 at about 10nm and 2100ft QNH (1500 on Lasham QFE for the old'uns) and hope the Lasham Radar controller could see the aircraft; the radar was a Decca 424 with a very narrow 'pencil' beam and the Lasham Radar controller would have to move the beam up and down with a servo to 'find' the aircraft.
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And then attempt to land at Odiham
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And then attempt to land at Odiham
At least one actually made it (a 737) and was marshalled in to VAS on the south side where they held up bats marked 'Welcome to Odiham'.
There was also an AN26 who landed on 10 at Odiham; apparently the appearance of 3 airfields (Lasham, Odiham, Farnborough) when he expected only one 'confused' him; well that's what he claimed.
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There was also an AN26 who landed on 10 at Odiham; apparently the appearance of 3 airfields (Lasham, Odiham, Farnborough) when he expected only one 'confused' him; well that's what he claimed.
If only it was possible to buy some sort of chart showing the location of all the airfields...
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