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Old 20th Sep 2023, 13:12
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Austria to Order C-390s

Austrian Defense Minister Klaudia Tanner announced today that Austria 🇦🇹 has decided to replace their aging Lockheed C-130Ks with Embraer C-390s instead of purchasing C-130Js.
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Austrian Defense Minister Klaudia Tanner announced today that Austria 🇦🇹 has decided to replace their aging Lockheed C-130Ks with Embraer C-390s instead of purchasing C-130Js.


I was at Airpower in my other neck of the woods year ago, and saw the C-390 Millenum on static, (same a/c that was at RIAT and Farnborough) so here are my photos ...so must have made an impression




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Embraer

and here is pic from Embraer FB page


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Would make a nice 'gap filler' for the RAF inventory and would supplement the Atlas when they're occasionally 'not available'.
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I agree it looks like a nice aircraft and no doubt could fill some roles

But what are you willing to give up to get them? - because that's the question that the Treasury will ask
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I was more thinking another potential customer for some of the 15 -Js sitting at Marshall's struck off DESA's list. But A-400M can do the job, nice aircraft as the 390 is, as we have been assured there will be no gaps to fill.
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I was more thinking another potential customer for some of the 15 -Js sitting at Marshall's struck off DESA's list. But A-400M can do the job, nice aircraft as the 390 is, as we have been assured there will be no gaps to fill.
I been told indonesia is the prime candidate for purchase of 12 of them
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I been told indonesia is the prime candidate for purchase of 12 of them
Interesting, Indonesia received the third of five new C-130J-30s from LM in August with the final one due in January 2024.
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with 17000 islands they need all the air transport they can get
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That's four European nations now flying or having ordered the C-390, and three of them have previously been operators of the Hercules. Small numbers for sure, but perhaps Lockheed Martin may have to start paying attention sooner or later.
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Interesting, Indonesia received the third of five new C-130J-30s from LM in August with the final one due in January 2024.
They're also ordered the A400M and A330 MRTT, so quite why they would want yet another transport type I'm not sure.
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Originally Posted by chevvron
Would make a nice 'gap filler' for the RAF inventory and would supplement the Atlas when they're occasionally 'not available'.
Hold that thought...
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They're also ordered the A400M and A330 MRTT, so quite why they would want yet another transport type I'm not sure.

Indonesia, like a large number of developing countries, tends to order from a wide range of suppliers. the reasons for doing so are often .............. opaque

Italy used to do the same thing
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Originally Posted by melmothtw
They're also ordered the A400M and A330 MRTT, so quite why they would want yet another transport type I'm not sure.
They already have C-130's. They have 5 new Js on order (3 delivered) They have australia's old H models which we sold to Indonesia when we got the Js, UK ordered these J's around the same time. They also have a couple of hundred million in defence loan guarantees from the UK.
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They already have C-130's.
Yes, but a C-390 can presumably do the work of three C-130s ...
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Yes, but a C-390 can presumably do the work of three C-130s ...
...but not, it seems, the work of seventy eight C-5's?
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Indonesia, like a large number of developing countries, tends to order from a wide range of suppliers. the reasons for doing so are often .............. opaque

Italy used to do the same thing
It might be not wanting all your eggs in one basket rather than corruption.
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"It might be not wanting all your eggs in one basket rather than corruption."

Absolutely - I know from personal experience that not everyone in such countries is corrupt................... but it's more likely.
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It's also a question of not wanting to be beholden to one nationality of supplier especially if you are not a member of an alliance and might be left out in the cold.
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While we are getting off topic and indonesia is not getting these. Indonesia absolutely does buy from a variety of sources. During the timor shambles, the US blocked support and a spares for their F-16. Forced them to goto russia and buy russian. Considering how bad the spare parts market is for russian aircraft historically this just a bit better than nothing. Thats why they went Rafale, they have F-16 as main airforce supported by F-15ex and Rafales. With maybe Su's. If they get on the wrong side of the US again they will have the rafales and SU's still able to source parts for
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