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USAF classified it as hard landing. UH1 Cheyenne WY

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Old 31st Aug 2023, 01:23
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USAF classified it as hard landing. UH1 Cheyenne WY

https://cowboystatedaily.com/2023/08...-pretty-scary/
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Witness: Watching Military Helicopter Crash At Cheyenne Airport Was 'Pretty Scary'

I'm just SLF, but it certainly looks like it could qualify as a hard landing.
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If it wasn't hard, it was most certainly a difficult landing with all the hallmarks of not turning out as expected!
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Not as hard as the Buffalo at Farnborough.
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I hope they search the crash environs for the missing balance. Finding it may explain the crash.
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Originally Posted by havoc
https://cowboystatedaily.com/2023/08/30/witness-watching-military-helicopter-crash-at-cheyenne-airport-was-pretty-scary/
The picture I see shows a Huey on its side. I'd say that's a bit more than a hard landing, althogh a hard landing may have led to the upset.

@ready Eddy: Yes, I'd say so.
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I love the phrase at the end of the article from the, "Cowboy StateDaily", (sic), from artee.

"...Brannaman said, adding that the response of local firefighters to the crash was shockingly fast."

Fireys can shock me as much as they like if they are fast



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The clip shows what looks like a crew member throwing away his helmet. From his body language, I’d say possibly in disgust! I hope this wasn’t a “Hey, watch this…” accident.
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The picture I see shows a Huey on its side. I'd say that's a bit more than a hard landing, althogh a hard landing may have led to the upset.

@ready Eddy: Yes, I'd say so.

The aircraft is upside down.
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havoc, if you look at this photo
You will see that the right side of the heilcopter is faicing up, and you and I can see the top of the helicopter, and the top of the tail pylon. .
Where it upside down, the skids would be facing up and we'd see the right side of the helicopter facing the viewer (as the man in the white shirt is facing the viewer)
https://cowboystatedaily.imgix.net/h...it=clip&w=2048

What photo are you looking at?
That's a pretty weird argument to make, unless you are looking at a different view.
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Looks fine to me. As our much loved contributor Danny42C used to say: Any landing you can walk away from is a good landing. And if the aircraft can be used again that day, it is an excellent landing.
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Specsavers?

Sorry, but you are totally wrong Lone.
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Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50
havoc, if you look at this photo
You will see that the right side of the heilcopter is faicing up, and you and I can see the top of the helicopter, and the top of the tail pylon. .
Where it upside down, the skids would be facing up and we'd see the right side of the helicopter facing the viewer (as the man in the white shirt is facing the viewer)
https://cowboystatedaily.imgix.net/h...it=clip&w=2048

What photo are you looking at?
That's a pretty weird argument to make, unless you are looking at a different view.
It is upside down. The skids are missing (probably torn off in the crash), which may be confusing you. Unless the UH-1 has moved the sliding doors to the top & bottom instead of the port & starboard sides, it is definitely upside down, not on its side. The rectangular object to the right of the man with the red hi-viz is a sliding door, as can be seen in the picture below (right way up). Also, the domed cylinder under the nose can be seen pointing upwards in the crash picture. Finally, the USAF star is on the side of the tail boom, not the top.

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Witness Says Helicopter May Have Had Engine Trouble Before Crash At Cheyenne Airport

A witness to a UH-1 military helicopter attached to F.E. Warren Air Force Base that crashed at Cheyenne Regional Airport on Wednesday told Cowboy State Daily it appeared, and sounded, like it was having engine trouble.


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A UH-1 helicopter from F.E. Warren Air Force Base flipped and crashed at the Cheyenne Regional Airport on Wednesday morning. A witness told Cowboy State Daily he watched those on board get out and it doesn't appear anyone was seriously hurt. (Greg Johnson, Cowboy State Daily)Bill Hibbler watched a UH-1 helicopter crash at Cheyenne Regional Airport on Wednesday and believes mechanical failure may have caused it. All he knows for sure is the helicopter was not operating as it should have and the crash, which ended with the helicopter upside down and its three crew members not seriously hurt, was “bizarre.”

“Whether mechanical or pilot contribution, the craft was not exhibiting a normal flying or landing pattern before bounced while both descending fast and still moving forward fast,” he said.

Something’s Not Right

As he drove in his car, Hibbler told Cowboy State Daily that he first noticed the helicopter flying at an unusually high altitude off the ground. With his windows rolled down, Hibbler kept his eyes and ears on the aircraft and noticed it also was making a peculiar sound.


Suddenly, the helicopter started plummeting toward the ground at a very steep angle, he said.

When asked about the potential for mechanical failure contributing to the crash, Glenn Robertson, a civilian spokesperson for F.E. Warren Air Force Base, said the crash is under investigation and that’s part of what the investigation will determine.

The Descent

Hibbler said the helicopter lost significant altitude while making its descent over a golf course near the airport.



At around a few hundred feet off the ground, he said the chopper made a very steep turn over a busy street and started flying almost completely on its side.

“I was thinking, ‘I did not know helicopters could make such a maneuver,’” Hibbler said.

Once directly over a runway at the airport, the helicopter appeared to regain some control and returned to a proper level for its final descent, at what Hibbler described as “a very fast speed.”

Hibbler said he expected the helicopter to gain altitude again. Instead, it simply moved a few yards to the north before slamming into the ground while descending rapidly.

The Crash

Hibbler said the helicopter bounced off the ground after the initial impact, throwing dirt into the air.

Once the chopper reached its apex off the bounce, Hibbler said it then turned upside down and changed direction, landing directly on its top “with the rotors and all sorts of dirt and metal flying everywhere.”

Waiting with nervous anticipation, Hibbler said he was certain the helicopter would explode or burst into flames at any moment.

But there was no Hollywood moment, and he observed someone running from the aircraft before stopping to bend over about 30 yards away.

“Because of the enormity of the impact, I was convinced that serious injury or worse had occurred,” Hibbler said.

A video of the crash shows the three crew members emerging from the helicopter and tossing their helmets off their heads in a rather dejected manner.

Emergency responders quickly arrived at the scene.

What We Do Know

In a Wednesday evening press release, Col. Johnny Galbert, 90th Missile Wing commander, expressed gratitude to the emergency responders and that no one was hurt or killed in the crash.

“I would like to personally thank the first responders from the Wyoming Air National Guard and American Medical Response who arrived on scene and ensured everyone remained safe,” Galbert said. “We are thankful there were no major injuries.”

According to F.E. Warren, the three men inside the helicopter were treated and released from Cheyenne Regional Medical Center on Wednesday.

F.E. Warren reported that the crash is under investigation by an Interim Safety Board.A Safety Investigation Board will also be convened to determine the cause of the crash and recommend measures necessary to prevent future mishaps.

Leo Wolfson can be reached at[email protected].
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It is upside down. The skids are missing (probably torn off in the crash), which may be confusing you.
Makes sense, thanks.
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As an old Huey driver it's definitely inverted Lone.
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The eye-witness appears to describes a perfectly normal EOL or Auto to a powered recovery, well right up to the point where they descended a further 8 feet while only being 5 feet off the ground. I feel sure that may have led to the "rapid disassembly and reconfiguration into non-flight mode".
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