First day at Colorado Springs, USAF Academy
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First day at Colorado Springs, USAF Academy
Laughingly this came up on my feed, and was interesting to watch. Over the decades I have several friends, acquaintances who are AF ROTC or OCS graduates and a couple who are Colorado Springs graduates and some of the stories I hear from that latter are reflected in the below video.
Cranwell seems tame compared to this, and the notable differences (laying aside 4 year degree commissioning course) with all the new Ocdts turning up in suits, hair already cut, (females neat) for their first day (same as RMA or BRNC) But the USAFA ocdts, turn up in sports gear, (one lass in flip flops / slides and struggles up the ramp) shorts, jeans t shirt and even long hair. Other military academies around the globe such as the Belgian RMA Renaissacelaan, you gotta turn up on first day hair cut suited and booted (mate who graduated from there and she is a LtC now. one of her classmates ended up as their F-16 Display Pilot ).
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Cranwell seems tame compared to this, and the notable differences (laying aside 4 year degree commissioning course) with all the new Ocdts turning up in suits, hair already cut, (females neat) for their first day (same as RMA or BRNC) But the USAFA ocdts, turn up in sports gear, (one lass in flip flops / slides and struggles up the ramp) shorts, jeans t shirt and even long hair. Other military academies around the globe such as the Belgian RMA Renaissacelaan, you gotta turn up on first day hair cut suited and booted (mate who graduated from there and she is a LtC now. one of her classmates ended up as their F-16 Display Pilot ).
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Below the Glidepath - not correcting
The only place for some mouth-breather trying to impose military style discipline while wearing mirrored sunglasses is doing laps of the guardroom compound while carrying an Artillery shell above their heads until they collapse.
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Hit Sh*t upperclass cadets who one day will be generals, giving these new cadets lessons in leadership. A great system thanks to the tax payer. It’s a good thing we have OCS and ROTC to provide normal human people to be commissioned.
I nearly went there on exchange but whole RAF-USAFA exchange programme got cancelled. Probably a good job, I’d have been sacked for giggling and much UK-style p#ss taking.
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I visited the USAFA in 1972. I shared a room with one of OCdts in his last year, as he was preparing for his final academic exams for his degree. He was a couple of years older than me, but was struggling with some basic calculus. I helped him through some of the problems, but he was more astonished that I had done calculus in high school in the UK some two years previously. Lovely guy, and he gave me his squadron jacket. I still have it, though it has shrunk over the years - probably a manufacturing fault.
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Always amuses me ,how they keep calling NCO's, sir!
Ir was always that way at a proper military academy, (not a Green Shieldy finishing school).
Quote from our Drill Sergeant at RAFC in the 60s:
"Gentlemen, I will call you Sir and you will call me Sir - the only difference is that I don't mean it!"
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Always amuses me ,how they keep calling NCO's, sir!
Ir was always that way at a proper military academy, (not a Green Shieldy finishing school).
Quote from our Drill Sergeant at RAFC in the 60s:
"Gentlemen, I will call you Sir and you will call me Sir - the only difference is that I don't mean it!"
ExMM
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exMM, as Flt Cdts in 1968, we addressed our SNCOs (such as 'Uncle' Les Rodda RIP) using their correct rank titles, not as 'sir'. Whereas the CWWO, the immaculate WO Johnny Garbett, most certainly was 'Sir'!
I served and flew alongside many Academy Grads, everyone was a top performer. In order to get accepted to the Academy, one must have excellent grades and scores on College admissions tests as well as a clean record and be of high moral fiber. It’s extremely difficult to make the grade in order to get accepted to the Academy. I went to OTS, which is a 3 month program for applicants who have already graduated college. I always felt a little guilty being the same rank, after my short 3 month course, than my Academy counterparts who spent 4 years plus to attain the same rank. They do have a very strong “espirit de corps” and having an Academy lineage definitely helps as far as promotions and assignments to a certain degree. All the yelling and intimidation ends soon, and is just a tactic used to cull the herd.
We had a 1 week, one-way exchange with the Academy in 1970 from Cranwell. After a particularly tedious flight by Britannia via an overnight in DC, we landed at Peterson Field to be met by our hosts, who were in their fourth year. Rather than go on the bus up to the Academy, me, and quite a few others, were met by our cadet hosts in their cars. Mine led me out to his car, a bright red Mustang, which was in stark contrast to the average clapped-out Morris Minor or equivalent that Cranwell cadets could afford. As we drove away, I commented on how impressive his car was. In reply - "Yeah, isn't it great. Wish I could afford one like this." Puzzled OB queries answer. "Oh, hell. It's not mine, I just borrowed it to come and collect you. We were told that you Brits expect us to have big flashy cars. My own car is a VW Beetle!"
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One of the (few) advantages of staying on the Flt Cdt scheme rather than escaping to University, eh OB?
On a previous visit to the USAFA, the way that 'Doolies' (first year 'freshmen') were treated with all that turning square corners nonsense came as a bit of a surprise to the Cranwell guests. In the Mess Hall, one visitor told his host that he didn't much like the chocolate pudding he'd been given. Whereupon his host barked to some poor unfortunate "Hey Doolie, Flight Cadet nnnnnn doesn't like his chocolate pudding... EAT IT!" So the hapless 'doolie' responded with a "Sir, Yes Sir" or somesuch and duly started eating. Then the host announced "In fact, Doolie, none of us like our chocolate puddings....EAT THEM ALL!".
4 weeks or so of 'crowing' in the South Brick Lines at the mercy of the Senior Entry at RAFC was clearly far more genteel than the daft hazing meted out by USAFA cadets to their underlings in the name of so-called 'tradition'.
On a previous visit to the USAFA, the way that 'Doolies' (first year 'freshmen') were treated with all that turning square corners nonsense came as a bit of a surprise to the Cranwell guests. In the Mess Hall, one visitor told his host that he didn't much like the chocolate pudding he'd been given. Whereupon his host barked to some poor unfortunate "Hey Doolie, Flight Cadet nnnnnn doesn't like his chocolate pudding... EAT IT!" So the hapless 'doolie' responded with a "Sir, Yes Sir" or somesuch and duly started eating. Then the host announced "In fact, Doolie, none of us like our chocolate puddings....EAT THEM ALL!".
4 weeks or so of 'crowing' in the South Brick Lines at the mercy of the Senior Entry at RAFC was clearly far more genteel than the daft hazing meted out by USAFA cadets to their underlings in the name of so-called 'tradition'.
My cousin got recruited by USAFA (he was a top notch quarterback in High School) and earned an appointment.
Played defensive end for two years.
He had a GPA around 3.7 or 3.8 (when 4.0 was best one could do) but after his second year he decided that (due to his eyesight not being up to scratch for a pilot) he didn't want to be a nuclear missile bunker dweller, and headed to OU at Norman. If his eyesight had stayed 20/20 he'd have stuck it out since being a pilot appealed to him. His comment on the harassment package was "Not hard to put up with."
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I served and flew alongside many Academy Grads, everyone was a top performer. In order to get accepted to the Academy, one must have excellent grades and scores on College admissions tests as well as a clean record and be of high moral fiber. It’s extremely difficult to make the grade in order to get accepted to the Academy. I went to OTS, which is a 3 month program for applicants who have already graduated college. I always felt a little guilty being the same rank, after my short 3 month course, than my Academy counterparts who spent 4 years plus to attain the same rank. They do have a very strong “espirit de corps” and having an Academy lineage definitely helps as far as promotions and assignments to a certain degree. All the yelling and intimidation ends soon, and is just a tactic used to cull the herd.
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Do they still have the ‘Honour Code’ where even a White Lie is treated as a choppable offence ?
Also do they still have to walk ( and eat) in right angles ?
To us these traditions were very odd
Also do they still have to walk ( and eat) in right angles ?
To us these traditions were very odd
Some of the US Armed Forces activities do seem rather alien to Brits...
A WIWOL who'd had an exchange tour with the USMC told me that he'd been invited to join his squadron pilots on one of those strange chanting run things they do. To which he feigned an air of pained incredulity and replied "A run? A RUN?? My dear chap, you don't seem to understand. British officers don't run - it would panic the troops!".
A WIWOL who'd had an exchange tour with the USMC told me that he'd been invited to join his squadron pilots on one of those strange chanting run things they do. To which he feigned an air of pained incredulity and replied "A run? A RUN?? My dear chap, you don't seem to understand. British officers don't run - it would panic the troops!".
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