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Old 21st Jul 2023, 13:40
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Originally Posted by gsa
The only solution is political, give the Russians Crimea and the Donbas and if need be get a demilitarised zone like North and South Korea, removing Putin like this will stir a pile of **** that has far reaching consequences.
So what you're saying then is:

a) Reward Russia for it's aggression
b) Send a signal to the Putin regime that we would rather sue for peace on his terms than fight back.

Surely that's what encouraged Putin in the first place. The knowledge that if we say "this far and no further" it's an empty threat.
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Old 21st Jul 2023, 15:42
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
NEVER going to happen, Ukraine is sitting on some of the largest gas reserves in the world, in fact enough to cut Russia out of the European market apparently and prior to 2014 had signed a deal with Shell to extract it. The gas reserves along with coal and many other minerals are sitting underneath the Donbas and the Azov Sea, similar with the Ukrainian waters off Crimea with both Gas and Oil. To hand those over to Russia would in effect rob Ukraine of its ability to finance the Country, it would also lose a lot of wheat production estate as well as the industrial heartland of the Country..
Surely those are massive reasons (in addition to all the others) for the West to ensure that Ukraine not only wins, but retakes Crimea? So why is the West dragging its collective feet about providing the wherewithal for them to do so?
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Old 24th Jul 2023, 10:28
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Originally Posted by balsa model
I am still capable of some sympathy for the Russian 'masses' and the conquered and more or less assimilated people. Unfortunately, their passivity and (effective) passive co-operation with everything Kremlin decides is part of the problem. So I am all for some 'far reaching consequences'. It's their (and ours) only hope, I think.
Russians won't know the freedom until they have their Day of the Bastille - burning down all FSB outlets. Logically, troll farms would be next.

Does the current state of affairs in Canada prove or disprove your theory?

Do the people support the Trudeau government policies and actions or do they not give a fig so long as it is not "them" what gets harmed.....and just how much control over government do the People of Canada actually exert?

For that matter....how much control over government does any population actually have in reality?

How many different Bastille Days shall it take. before governments in general get their comeuppance

Dutch Farmers seem to be standing up....Canadian truckers stood up....look back to the Covid Mandates for an example of how passive populations can be in the face of government over reach.

But not majority numbers of citizens are doing so anywhere.....much less Russia.



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Old 24th Jul 2023, 14:15
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Originally Posted by SASless
Canadian truckers stood up....look back to the Covid Mandates for an example of how passive populations can be in the face of government over reach
I never really understood why some people get confused between two very different types of actions that governments can take

On the one hand you get something like what's going on in Russia where that government starts an unjust war then makes people go and fight it using outdated equipment all while making its own citizens destroy the infrastructure of the country they chose to invade. Anyone who dares to resist is taken away and punished

On the other hand you have a pandemic disease that in the end killed over one million people in the US alone and various governments around the world take the stance that it's a deadly threat and they should do something about it to protect their citizens and because it's all so new with so few data points, they realise (correctly) that wearing a mask might go some way towards reducing the eventual death toll. They are in fact doing the job we elected them to do which is to protect the population. Also it's worth noting that it wasn't a mask "requirement" - it was a requirement to wear a mask when around other people, so those who refused to do it were in fact putting other people's lives at risk

Florida and Texas both ended up banning any mask mandates. Those actions probably added a significant number of deaths to the over one million the US suffered



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Old 24th Jul 2023, 15:37
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If we could return to the topic at hand, please, and not drift further away from it.
Thank you all in advance.
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