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Old 4th Jul 2023, 20:21
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Hi John, looking forward to reading this - I am reserving the book for holiday reading in August.

Timelord, I am more shocked that the VSOs didn't kick up more of a stink - I wonder if proximity to the war conditioned attitudes to crew losses, even as a child of the 60s I had friends who were sons of bomber aircrew, I remember one's dad telling me he was one of only 3 on his flying course who who survived the war.
Not comparing to Bomber Command but even in the 70s we were loosing 10-20 aircrew a year. I’m afraid there was a “we’re bound to loose a few” attitude in some places.
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Old 5th Jul 2023, 02:57
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The loss rates in years gone by were eye watering, everyone talks about the F-104, but the Supermarine Scimitar had a 51% loss rate, being a carrier aircraft didn't help in that regard.
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The stats for the meteor in service are pretty grim. The 2 seaters were extremely difficult to exit. Perhaps Ironic that the current test vehicles are, of course….Meteor 7.5s and have been used to test every Mk of MB seat to date.
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Old 5th Jul 2023, 08:04
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Perhaps Ironic that the current test vehicles are, of course….Meteor 7.5s and have been used to test every Mk of MB seat to date.
But now fitted with Mk10 seats at least!
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Old 5th Jul 2023, 09:18
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Meteor Accidents - 1953
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Originally Posted by oldmansquipper
The stats for the meteor in service are pretty grim. The 2 seaters were extremely difficult to exit. Perhaps Ironic that the current test vehicles are, of course….Meteor 7.5s and have been used to test every Mk of MB seat to date.
The old man managed a pax trip in a T7. From memory he said he was told to be careful if he had to release the canopy to bale out as there was a chance it could hit you when it came off.

I believe the bale out procedure was to get rid of the canopy, undo your straps and invert the aircraft and fall out?

Unfortunately, he's not here to confirm, and its been a while, but I'm pretty sure that's what he said.
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Thanks QP.
Best wishes
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Old 6th Jul 2023, 17:36
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I wonder why escape to port only?
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Old 6th Jul 2023, 18:17
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Originally Posted by Octane
I wonder why escape to port only?
After jettisoning the hood, the hood opening strut remains, and causes an obstruction to Starboard.
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Old 7th Jul 2023, 10:50
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Walking past a bookshop in York earlier this week noticed a signed copy of Eject! Eject! in the window for sale at Ł2 off RRP. Reminded me of the late Eric Grove, when I asked him if he would sign a copy of one of his books, joking there were so few unsigned copies they were probably worth more.
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Old 18th Jul 2023, 09:28
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A display with five (ejection) seats... but this is the best I could do unfortunately. Made me think of this thread.

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Old 18th Jul 2023, 10:22
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I wasn't going to buy this book as I didn't think it would be that interesting, but after reading some of the comments in this thread I bought it a couple of months ago and started on it this week. I'm only about a third of the way through and it is riveting. Last night I was on the section about the A1 in Vietnam and it mentioned the Stanley Yankee extraction system. I'd never heard of this and have spent some time today looking this up on the internet and came across this on youtube.

I have never been in a fast jet but if I was ever in that situation I'd be more inclined to stay with the aircraft and hope for the best, rather than risk ejection. Ever the (posthumous) optomist.

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Old 18th Jul 2023, 10:23
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Just finished 'Eject Eject' and couldn't put it down once started. Originally thought it would be just a series of chapters focusing on just the ejection event, however really appreciated the work that must have gone into researching the backstories of those who ejected. Fantastic read which leaves just one question "any plans for Volume 2"?
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Old 18th Jul 2023, 20:06
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Reading the account of the failed ejections due to life expired explosives brought to mind a conversation I had some 20 years ago. I answered the phone one afternoon and found myself speaking to a retired senior officer. The gist of the conversation was he wanted me to provide a copy of the document that gave particular ticket holders in the IPT authority from the OEM to extend the life of installed assisted escape system explosives. I politely told him I couldn't release such a document to a non-MoD individual and that was that. I was told to expect a call from a VSO as my refusal would put in jeopardy this particular aircraft's display season. When I was serving I didn't take kindly to officers using their rank and as a civvie I was not going to be intimidated. My only suggestion was for him to contact the OEM whereupon he cited the expense. Never heard back and I doubt if MBA acquiesced. But it did make me wonder just how old were these cartridges. In his excellent book JN illustrates the folly of using explosives past their 'sell by' date.
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Old 19th Jul 2023, 06:18
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Reading the account of the failed ejections due to life expired explosives brought to mind a conversation I had some 20 years ago. I answered the phone one afternoon and found myself speaking to a retired senior officer. The gist of the conversation was he wanted me to provide a copy of the document that gave particular ticket holders in the IPT authority from the OEM to extend the life of installed assisted escape system explosives. I politely told him I couldn't release such a document to a non-MoD individual and that was that. I was told to expect a call from a VSO as my refusal would put in jeopardy this particular aircraft's display season. When I was serving I didn't take kindly to officers using their rank and as a civvie I was not going to be intimidated. My only suggestion was for him to contact the OEM whereupon he cited the expense. Never heard back and I doubt if MBA acquiesced. But it did make me wonder just how old were these cartridges. In his excellent book JN illustrates the folly of using explosives past their 'sell by' date.
Spooky! I was talking to a serving friend who works at CAM in AAES who recently took an almost identical phonecall last month!
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Old 19th Jul 2023, 07:23
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Originally Posted by Slow Biker
Reading the account of the failed ejections due to life expired explosives brought to mind a conversation I had some 20 years ago. I answered the phone one afternoon and found myself speaking to a retired senior officer. The gist of the conversation was he wanted me to provide a copy of the document that gave particular ticket holders in the IPT authority from the OEM to extend the life of installed assisted escape system explosives. I politely told him I couldn't release such a document to a non-MoD individual and that was that. I was told to expect a call from a VSO as my refusal would put in jeopardy this particular aircraft's display season. When I was serving I didn't take kindly to officers using their rank and as a civvie I was not going to be intimidated. My only suggestion was for him to contact the OEM whereupon he cited the expense. Never heard back and I doubt if MBA acquiesced. But it did make me wonder just how old were these cartridges. In his excellent book JN illustrates the folly of using explosives past their 'sell by' date.
The Thunder City Buccaneer accident is a prime example (maybe that is one example he quotes? - haven’t got that far yet!)
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Old 19th Jul 2023, 07:27
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The Thunder City Buccaneer accident is a prime example (maybe that is one example he quotes? - haven’t got that far yet!)
Lightning I think.
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Old 19th Jul 2023, 09:46
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Originally Posted by Timelord
Lightning I think.
Correct.
Although the cartridges were subsequently found to be expired, the inability of the pilot to eject was caused by a failure in the canopy jettison mechanism, there being no ability to eject through the Lightning canopy.
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Old 20th Jul 2023, 20:01
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Finally received a copy after holding out for it as a birthday gift.

Very much next on the "to read" list.
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