Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Aircrew Forums > Military Aviation
Reload this Page >

Next US Chairman of JCS

Wikiposts
Search
Military Aviation A forum for the professionals who fly military hardware. Also for the backroom boys and girls who support the flying and maintain the equipment, and without whom nothing would ever leave the ground. All armies, navies and air forces of the world equally welcome here.

Next US Chairman of JCS

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 6th May 2023, 00:23
  #1 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Nevada, USA
Posts: 1,609
Received 43 Likes on 30 Posts
Next US Chairman of JCS

As expected, Gen "CQ" Brown Jr - currently CSAF - age 61 - tipped to be Biden's nomination as the next Chairman JCS replacing Gen Mark Milley.

Prior to becoming CSAF in 2020 he was Commander PACAF and his operational flying was on the F-16A/B/D/D

https://www.af.mil/About-Us/Biograph...es-q-brown-jr/

Here he is in a recruiting ad
RAFEngO74to09 is offline  
Old 6th May 2023, 00:55
  #2 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Downeast
Age: 75
Posts: 18,290
Received 516 Likes on 215 Posts
He has some very small shoes to fill.
SASless is online now  
The following 3 users liked this post by SASless:
Old 6th May 2023, 08:08
  #3 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Richard Burtonville, South Wales.
Posts: 2,340
Received 62 Likes on 45 Posts
Originally Posted by SASless
He has some very small shoes to fill.
Excellent!

CG
charliegolf is offline  
Old 8th May 2023, 19:39
  #4 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: West Sussex
Age: 82
Posts: 4,764
Received 228 Likes on 71 Posts
Good tag, albeit his initials. CQ is Radio Ham speak to say that you'll talk to anyone. Not a bad start...
Chugalug2 is offline  
Old 9th May 2023, 02:10
  #5 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Planet Earth
Posts: 2,089
Likes: 0
Received 9 Likes on 8 Posts
Originally Posted by SASless
He has some very small shoes to fill.

Interesting comment


How do you reach that conclusion ?
stilton is offline  
The following users liked this post:
Old 9th May 2023, 21:23
  #6 (permalink)  
Administrator
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: The Gulf Coast
Posts: 1,713
Received 287 Likes on 130 Posts
Originally Posted by stilton
Interesting comment
How do you reach that conclusion ?
This appears to me to be a jab at the current Chairman, not the gentleman who is about to take on the job.
T28B is offline  
Old 9th May 2023, 21:33
  #7 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: USA
Posts: 192
Received 7 Likes on 3 Posts
Originally Posted by Chugalug2
Good tag, albeit his initials. CQ is Radio Ham speak to say that you'll talk to anyone. Not a bad start...
Not just radio ham , we used CQ in maritime HF broadcast, All Stations if i remember correctly for CW transmissions.
1771 DELETE is offline  
Old 10th May 2023, 06:16
  #8 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Planet Earth
Posts: 2,089
Likes: 0
Received 9 Likes on 8 Posts
Originally Posted by T28B
This appears to me to be a jab at the current Chairman, not the gentleman who is about to take on the job.

I understand that, my question remains, I cannot think of a single reason to criticize Chairman Milley’s tenure

In particular standing up to a tyrannical and disgraced, twice impeached former president currently under criminal indictment who attempted to overthrow American democracy

That took great courage
stilton is offline  
The following users liked this post:
Old 11th May 2023, 02:19
  #9 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: surfing, watching for sharks
Posts: 4,077
Received 55 Likes on 34 Posts
Originally Posted by stilton
I understand that, my question remains, I cannot think of a single reason to criticize Chairman Milley’s tenure

In particular standing up to a tyrannical and disgraced, twice impeached former president currently under criminal indictment who attempted to overthrow American democracy

That took great courage
There’s so much more to his legacy than standing up to Trump.
West Coast is online now  
Old 11th May 2023, 08:38
  #10 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Downeast
Age: 75
Posts: 18,290
Received 516 Likes on 215 Posts
For some single issue folks that assumption is enough and the failure to stand up and be counted on other issues and events is discounted or ignored.

Even a predecessor had concerns his appropriately adhering to the principle of civilian control of the military.....and who has been very much involved in speaking out on political issues. himself rather than focusing upon his gardening post retirement.

Despite the popular thought that Generals and Admirals are apolitical that is not exactly the case as the "politics" of promotion play a role in the climb up the greasy pole of rank.....remembering it is politicians in the US Senate that pass judgement upon who gets promoted to the most senior positions and rank.

The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs position requires a nomination by the President and a vote by the US Senate following formal Hearing Process.
SASless is online now  
Old 11th May 2023, 19:34
  #11 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Planet Earth
Posts: 2,089
Likes: 0
Received 9 Likes on 8 Posts
Originally Posted by SASless
For some single issue folks that assumption is enough and the failure to stand up and be counted on other issues and events is discounted or ignored.

Even a predecessor had concerns his appropriately adhering to the principle of civilian control of the military.....and who has been very much involved in speaking out on political issues. himself rather than focusing upon his gardening post retirement.

Despite the popular thought that Generals and Admirals are apolitical that is not exactly the case as the "politics" of promotion play a role in the climb up the greasy pole of rank.....remembering it is politicians in the US Senate that pass judgement upon who gets promoted to the most senior positions and rank.

The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs position requires a nomination by the President and a vote by the US Senate following formal Hearing Process.

I am missing your point here
stilton is offline  
The following users liked this post:
Old 11th May 2023, 20:23
  #12 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Downeast
Age: 75
Posts: 18,290
Received 516 Likes on 215 Posts
Get someone to explain it to you.
SASless is online now  
Old 12th May 2023, 04:27
  #13 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Planet Earth
Posts: 2,089
Likes: 0
Received 9 Likes on 8 Posts
Originally Posted by SASless
Get someone to explain it to you.

An Interesting and bizarrely defensive response, apparently you’re unable to explain your own comments, they’re certainly indecipherable to me
stilton is offline  
The following users liked this post:
Old 12th May 2023, 07:16
  #14 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2018
Location: Ferrara
Posts: 8,460
Received 363 Likes on 212 Posts
this thread is weird - lots of insinuations but no description (other than the single "standing up..") of why either the outgoing or incoming officer is good, bad or indifferent

Nudge, nudge, wink wink - say no more squire!



Asturias56 is offline  
The following users liked this post:
Old 12th May 2023, 07:24
  #15 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Number 10 No longer
Age: 73
Posts: 70
Received 37 Likes on 16 Posts
Originally Posted by stilton
An Interesting and bizarrely defensive response, apparently you’re unable to explain your own comments, they’re certainly indecipherable to me

...and me.
Gordon Brown is offline  
The following users liked this post:
Old 12th May 2023, 16:19
  #16 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Downeast
Age: 75
Posts: 18,290
Received 516 Likes on 215 Posts
For you clueless....since you cannot grasp the obvious....or at least claim to not be able to for some reason.

If you have to pass muster by a popular vote of 100 Senators after being chosen by a President in order to achieve either Rank or Position.....one must make one's self acceptable to obtain that selection and majority vote.

That is one side of the passage to Stardom....the other is you must curry favor with your superiors in uniform to obtain a good evaluation and thus advance in that. pathway.

Standing up to either a Superior or any of the powers that be is not the favored path to success and it takes a rare Bird (think rank insignia here) that did or will do that that makes it to the top of the food chain.

Staff pukes and ring kissers and not warriors are the most likely to prosper and see the most senior ranks and positions.

The "system" is the problem and what you see in the highest levels of command in the US Military are those that know how to game the system and have won the prize..

When one average eval can scuttle you....and it takes a President to pick your name out of the hat and the Senate to vote on that pick......figure it out who wins that selection process.

There....spelled it out for you.....can you now grasp that it requires a military politician belonging to the current "correct" school of thought to ascend to the very top end of the Totem Pole.

Politics plays a role in the military.....perhaps not pure rank partisan politics in the conventional definition but politics none the less.

SASless is online now  
Old 12th May 2023, 16:29
  #17 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Washington.
Age: 74
Posts: 1,077
Received 151 Likes on 53 Posts
Originally Posted by SASless
For you clueless....since you cannot grasp the obvious....or at least claim to not be able to for some reason.

If you have to pass muster by a popular vote of 100 Senators after being chosen by a President in order to achieve either Rank or Position.....one must make one's self acceptable to obtain that selection and majority vote.

That is one side of the passage to Stardom....the other is you must curry favor with your superiors in uniform to obtain a good evaluation and thus advance in that. pathway.

Standing up to either a Superior or any of the powers that be is not the favored path to success and it takes a rare Bird (think rank insignia here) that did or will do that that makes it to the top of the food chain.

Staff pukes and ring kissers and not warriors are the most likely to prosper and see the most senior ranks and positions.

The "system" is the problem and what you see in the highest levels of command in the US Military are those that know how to game the system and have won the prize..

When one average eval can scuttle you....and it takes a President to pick your name out of the hat and the Senate to vote on that pick......figure it out who wins that selection process.

There....spelled it out for you.....can you now grasp that it requires a military politician belonging to the current "correct" school of thought to ascend to the very top end of the Totem Pole.

Politics plays a role in the military.....perhaps not pure rank partisan politics in the conventional definition but politics none the less.
Bitter?
GlobalNav is offline  
Old 12th May 2023, 16:39
  #18 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2018
Location: Ferrara
Posts: 8,460
Received 363 Likes on 212 Posts
"Politics plays a role in the military.."

Always did - Lincoln was very wary of promoting Grant until he discovered that Grant wasn't interested in being President but in winning the war.

And don't go near the politics of the Confederacy...................
Asturias56 is offline  
Old 12th May 2023, 16:55
  #19 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: virginia, USA
Age: 56
Posts: 1,062
Received 15 Likes on 10 Posts
Originally Posted by stilton
I understand that, my question remains, I cannot think of a single reason to criticize Chairman Milley’s tenure
As the General's tenure has been highly politicized, one's view might be a reflection of where you sit. If your glasses have been tinted to see nothing wrong due to his stance against a previous POTUS, yes you likely will find no fault. If you sit somewhere else on the political spectrum you may question things like the Afghanistan withdrawal, Ukraine, or a seemingly overemphasis on non-warfighting window dressing. To get to, and to remain, at the highest levels of the organization you have to an exceptional military officer, or really good at reading the politics inside the beltway, or in rare cases, very good at both. Democratic and Republican Administrations tend to have different metrics and focus. I think a more nuanced review would emphasize the political- perhaps not a "soldiers General". Your results may vary.
sandiego89 is offline  
Old 12th May 2023, 18:20
  #20 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Texas
Age: 64
Posts: 7,224
Received 412 Likes on 257 Posts
Originally Posted by GlobalNav
Bitter?
I seriously doubt that.
There is a great deal of truth in the points SASless made in terms of how the system works at the flag officer level.
As a good Colonel once pointed out to me: "Once you become a general or an admiral, you are at the interface of the political and the military whether you like it or not. You have to deal with politics"
He then nodded to myself and four other field grade officers.
"Since you work for the general, on his staff, you too must know that the political has become a part of your life. You don't get to ignore it."

I do not share SASless's low opinion of General Milley.
As a CJCS goes, he's about middle of the road. It's a tough job to do well.
He has been the object of numerous barbs from both political parties during his tenure, depending on the topic.
It comes with the badge.

Also: what sandiego89 said. Good points all.
Originally Posted by stilton
I cannot think of a single reason to criticize Chairman Milley’s tenure
All that shows is a lack of thinking, or perhaps the application of the halo effect due to your own biases. Since it isn't your country, and it isn't your military that he's been leading, I can understand simple ignorance, but not what appears to be willful ignorance.
With that critique aside, I think he handled the difficulties at the end of the previous administration well enough, given what a novel challenge that was.

His latest challenge is no slouch ...
U.S. Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark Milley is working to coordinate calls with Sudanese military chief Abdel Fattah al-Burhan and the head of the Rapid Support Forces (RSF), Mohamed Hamdan “Hemeti” Dagalo, three sources familiar with the plan told SitRep, underscoring the high level attention this crisis is receiving from top military brass.

Last edited by Lonewolf_50; 12th May 2023 at 18:48.
Lonewolf_50 is offline  
The following 3 users liked this post by Lonewolf_50:


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.