Sudan brit evacuation
One BBC report mentioned two Brits on foot trying to escape Khartoum who almost immediately got robbed by gun-toting crazies militia on the street corner. One imagines that among other necessaries, they might well have lost their passports at that point.
A Turkish AF C-130 is claimed to have been shot at right after take-off, with one passenger injured. Could continue the flight.
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It seems odd that there are 20 plus NHS doctors there one of whom was on Radio 4,this morning who has worked in Manchester for 4 years who was there visiting family who was denied a seat on a plane out.
Brits can be weird.
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Brits can be weird.
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Mr Mac
How many Sudanese (and other ) people do you imagine are arriving there without British passports but waving letters and documents that they hope will get them onto the aircraft?
Whilst i have sympathy for the Doctor(s) involved I also recognise the challenges of the realities.
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The flights are specified for British Citizens. The troops have been briefed only to allow British Passport holders onboard.
How many Sudanese (and other ) people do you imagine are arriving there without British passports but waving letters and documents that they hope will get them onto the aircraft?
Whilst i have sympathy for the Doctor(s) involved I also recognise the challenges of the realities.
How many Sudanese (and other ) people do you imagine are arriving there without British passports but waving letters and documents that they hope will get them onto the aircraft?
Whilst i have sympathy for the Doctor(s) involved I also recognise the challenges of the realities.
u.s. Embassy khartoum retweeted
travel - state dept
@travelgov
possibilities for u.s. Citizens to depart khartoum: There are options to depart sudan, but you must decide the safest and best method of departure for yourself and your family. There have been reports of individuals being robbed, including of their u.s. Passports. Roads may be crowded, exposed to combat operations, or have deteriorated infrastructure. Border crossings into neighboring countries are possible, but wait times at crossing points could vary widely and change quickly. Port of sudan (south of khartoum): This is approximately a 15-hour journey from khartoum. Once in port sudan, efforts are underway to ferry individuals to jeddah, saudi arabia. If you have a lost, stolen, mutilated, or expired u.s. Passport this may be the best option to consider. We can provide emergency passport services at the u.s. Consulate in jeddah. Land borders with egypt & ethiopia: The egyptian and ethiopian governments have stated they will relax their entry requirements for u.s. Citizens to cross these land borders. You may need a valid passport to cross the land border. In addition to your u.s. Passport, you should bring the following items: -identity documents in case your u.s. Passport is lost/stolen -food/water -extra fuel if you are driving -necessary medicines and other essentials once you arrive in a safe location, please respond to the department email you received after completing the registration form to let us know, and contact the nearest u.s. Embassy or consulate if you need further assistance. More at: https://sd.usembassy.gov/security-alert/
travel - state dept
@travelgov
possibilities for u.s. Citizens to depart khartoum: There are options to depart sudan, but you must decide the safest and best method of departure for yourself and your family. There have been reports of individuals being robbed, including of their u.s. Passports. Roads may be crowded, exposed to combat operations, or have deteriorated infrastructure. Border crossings into neighboring countries are possible, but wait times at crossing points could vary widely and change quickly. Port of sudan (south of khartoum): This is approximately a 15-hour journey from khartoum. Once in port sudan, efforts are underway to ferry individuals to jeddah, saudi arabia. If you have a lost, stolen, mutilated, or expired u.s. Passport this may be the best option to consider. We can provide emergency passport services at the u.s. Consulate in jeddah. Land borders with egypt & ethiopia: The egyptian and ethiopian governments have stated they will relax their entry requirements for u.s. Citizens to cross these land borders. You may need a valid passport to cross the land border. In addition to your u.s. Passport, you should bring the following items: -identity documents in case your u.s. Passport is lost/stolen -food/water -extra fuel if you are driving -necessary medicines and other essentials once you arrive in a safe location, please respond to the department email you received after completing the registration form to let us know, and contact the nearest u.s. Embassy or consulate if you need further assistance. More at: https://sd.usembassy.gov/security-alert/
The flights are specified for British Citizens. The troops have been briefed only to allow British Passport holders onboard.
How many Sudanese (and other ) people do you imagine are arriving there without British passports but waving letters and documents that they hope will get them onto the aircraft?
Whilst i have sympathy for the Doctor(s) involved I also recognise the challenges of the realities.
How many Sudanese (and other ) people do you imagine are arriving there without British passports but waving letters and documents that they hope will get them onto the aircraft?
Whilst i have sympathy for the Doctor(s) involved I also recognise the challenges of the realities.
So now Covid is over, your passport matters? I bet the patients in intensive care didn't ask to see the doctor's passport.
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Are you sure you have the whole story ? The doctor involved is not a British passport-holder: he has a work-permit.
Surely you can understand that:
a) British citizens get priority
b) This is not an office-situation where there can be meetings over weeks to get a consensus , and that simple, unambiguous rules are needed.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/sudanese-...044028207.html
So how would you decide at the airport gate ?
Happy to be corrected if I'm wrong.
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If so it seems odd that those checking in were not briefed as to the rights & validity of T2 visa holders - if that is the case in this instance.
I presume Larnaca is also more suitable for the charter aircraft being used. Of course the US may have insisted asked the UK to avoid the risk of the passengers accidentally seeing the weather balloons.
Using the RM rather the regiment is logical IMHO because:
Using the RM rather the regiment is logical IMHO because:
- the marines were available at Akrotiri, presumably from the same unit that performed the evacuation of diplomatic staff with 16 Air Assault and an unnamed unit based near the English/Welsh border.
- II Squadron RAF Regt (having recently taken over from 51 Squadron RAF Regt) have an important job to do at Akrotiri which given its location and the ongoing operations is undoubtedly on several lists of targets.
- the operation is more of 'aid to the civil power' one rather than an opposed extraction which would potentially justify flying Rocks out from the UK to defend aircraft ops.
- the airfield is under the control of the Sudanese government's forces who presumably would object to an overt takeover of their role.
Mr Mac
Are you sure you have the whole story ? The doctor involved is not a British passport-holder: he has a work-permit.
Surely you can understand that:
a) British citizens get priority
b) This is not an office-situation where there can be meetings over weeks to get a consensus , and that simple, unambiguous rules are needed.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/sudanese-...044028207.html
So how would you decide at the airport gate ?
Are you sure you have the whole story ? The doctor involved is not a British passport-holder: he has a work-permit.
Surely you can understand that:
a) British citizens get priority
b) This is not an office-situation where there can be meetings over weeks to get a consensus , and that simple, unambiguous rules are needed.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/sudanese-...044028207.html
So how would you decide at the airport gate ?
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If the doctor is working in the UK, is he/she paying taxes there?
Can someone explain why we’re using the soon to be demobbed Hercules when there are perfectly serviceable A400s sitting around Brize. Waiting for spares..
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I assume (/hope) SV means the doctor has been contibuting part of his salary and paying VAT etc on his purchases to help fund the UK's armed forces.
I understand the argument that it should be UK citizens first but if there is spare capacity (which I understand there has been on some flights) the surely those with the right of abode should be able to take the spaces.
The question of close family members with no right of abode is a humanitarian question that also needs addressing.
What duty of care the UK owes the ordinary Sudanese depends on how strongly one feels Sudan is yet another state Britain granted independence to under a democratic regime without providing the support to help it thrive. (I am assuming NBCD State 1 Condition Zulu Alpha)
I understand the argument that it should be UK citizens first but if there is spare capacity (which I understand there has been on some flights) the surely those with the right of abode should be able to take the spaces.
The question of close family members with no right of abode is a humanitarian question that also needs addressing.
What duty of care the UK owes the ordinary Sudanese depends on how strongly one feels Sudan is yet another state Britain granted independence to under a democratic regime without providing the support to help it thrive. (I am assuming NBCD State 1 Condition Zulu Alpha)