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Old 21st Apr 2023, 07:52
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Originally Posted by Wyntor
Many a true word spoken in jest, I suppose. I found a reference to the original contract for 5 aircraft that quoted $1.2M, so I suppose that gives a ball park starting point. Probably several times that once it has been modified for whoosh bangs and "UK'd".

Times are definitely changing.
Yup - can you imagine how long it would take to formulate an official requirement, get all those R&D contracts in place and then the testing etc etc.... the normal fee is about £ 1Bn -
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Yes I flew Hunter, Buccaneer, Tornado, Hawk, Harrier and Sea Harrier.

MFTS: Flyby wrote the Conceptual System Design which was part of the winning bid. It was just not adopted which caused some of the current issues.

The aircraft was developed jointly between Flyby Technology, FlyBVLOS Technology and Maxwell Innovations in Istanbul, now Ankara. The British element, Flyby Technology, is now preparing the aircraft for military service with UK primes. The £1.2m figure was for the 5 prototype airframes and is not an accurate indicator of eventual price. The EO sensors were not fitted for the firing because the aim of that firing was to prove release conditions were managed by the stability and augmentation system would cope. Which it can be seen it did admirably.
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Old 21st Apr 2023, 21:12
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Yup - can you imagine how long it would take to formulate an official requirement, get all those R&D contracts in place and then the testing etc etc.... the normal fee is about £ 1Bn -
​​​​​​If only they realised that they don't have to do any of that boring stuff. If they do nothing magical mice will leave fully operational systems, spare parts and trained operators in a hangar one night.
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Old 22nd Apr 2023, 00:19
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Mmm

Originally Posted by The B Word
Just read his CV - not sure I would have included this!



How is that going?
Flyby wrote the Conceptual System Design for all flying training as part of LM’s winning bid. Once they won it the actual system was redesigned without Flyby’s input.

Flyby was part of the JACKAL project from the outset. The platform level requirements and its configuration were instrumental. The £1.2m for 5 aircraft was just for a basic BVLOS training variant. The mission system for LMM armed JACKALs will be British and a fair amount of manufacturing will come to the UK if the country invests.
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Old 22nd Apr 2023, 05:14
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Originally Posted by JPFlyby
Flyby wrote the Conceptual System Design for all flying training as part of LM’s winning bid. Once they won it the actual system was redesigned without Flyby’s input.

Flyby was part of the JACKAL project from the outset. The platform level requirements and its configuration were instrumental. The £1.2m for 5 aircraft was just for a basic BVLOS training variant. The mission system for LMM armed JACKALs will be British and a fair amount of manufacturing will come to the UK if the country invests.
It's not often that someone has the stones to step into the bearpit that is prune, so kudos for that, and also for pushing forward an area where the west needs to up its game. For all my scepticism about smoke and mirrors, it's something that needs to be done and I'd rather it was a relatively small company that can, rather than one of the big monsters that are just full of sh*t.
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Old 22nd Apr 2023, 12:00
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Originally Posted by pba_target
It's not often that someone has the stones to step into the bearpit that is prune, so kudos for that, and also for pushing forward an area where the west needs to up its game. For all my scepticism about smoke and mirrors, it's something that needs to be done and I'd rather it was a relatively small company that can, rather than one of the big monsters that are just full of sh*t.

Defence procurement is changing and the MOD is watching large prime behaviours. I can’t get this capability from where it is now to where it should be with help from excited primes. At some point we have to accept an invitation to dance. Just have to make sure they don’t stand on our toes.

The aircraft will be truly devastating if I am encouraged and given the resources. If not our soldiers, sailors and airmen will not have it. We must get cracking to stay ahead.
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Old 23rd Apr 2023, 07:18
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"If only they realised that they don't have to do any of that boring stuff. If they do nothing magical mice will leave fully operational systems, spare parts and trained operators in a hangar one night."

yes, well - of course when things warm up all that goes out the window - remember how much stuff appeared like magic when the Argies arrived in the FI?

And how the Turks, Ukrainians and Azeris seem to be able to conjure up working systems in a couple of months when they had to.

(of course you have to fire just about every SO over 45 years old as well but that's normal after a long stretch of peace).
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