Sudan military coup, A330 burning...
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
It appears Egypt supports the army and were deployed for "joint training".
https://english.alarabiya.net/News/w...rces-Statement
As ORAC points out, there are significant regional air players here with Egypt at the front. I am always surprised when discussing African matters through a UK lens that our default is Nigeria in the west (for good reason IMHO, look at size & economy) and Kenya in the east (less good c/w Nigeria in previous terms). Everyone underestimates Ethiopia in this part of the world regardless of whether it is fighting a civil war or not; let us remember who got the Nobel Peace Prize in 2019 before Tigray kicked off…
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Earlier in this thread you said:
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SWBKCB indeed, but latter I was told that the Ukrainian aircrew mentioned are actually civilian (from SkyUp Airlines).
If those Migs where operated by Ukrainians if would be certainly newsworthy in this day an age. And if was Egyptians it would also be an interesting twist as it would make them direct participants in the combats.
If those Migs where operated by Ukrainians if would be certainly newsworthy in this day an age. And if was Egyptians it would also be an interesting twist as it would make them direct participants in the combats.
Well SkyUp was definitely providing wet leases for SunAir. I guess with mostly Ukrainian crews.
Then there are possibly other crews working for the UN.
But (to me) the "interesting" part is those Migs (which did fly combat mission in all likelihood). Who was in the cockpit ? on the ground ? in what capacity ?
Then there are possibly other crews working for the UN.
But (to me) the "interesting" part is those Migs (which did fly combat mission in all likelihood). Who was in the cockpit ? on the ground ? in what capacity ?
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I take it a lot of this goes back to Wagner, nice to see their cash flow possibly being reduced. Just a tragedy it’s happening like this.
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How should the fighting be resolved?
Conversation starter, how should this fighting in Sudan be resolved? Ceasefires are being broken yet there is agreements for them everyday for a few hours for humanitarian purposes? Nation leaders are urging for the fighting to stop but neither RSF or the army are seeming to listen, what should happen?
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Maybe to stop various creatures climbing the legs or to protect the tyres from heat or uv sunlight.
The Egyptian army and Air Force.
It appears Egypt supports the army and were deployed for "joint training".
https://english.alarabiya.net/News/w...rces-Statement
It appears Egypt supports the army and were deployed for "joint training".
https://english.alarabiya.net/News/w...rces-Statement
SWBKCB indeed, but latter I was told that the Ukrainian aircrew mentioned are actually civilian (from SkyUp Airlines).
If those Migs where operated by Ukrainians if would be certainly newsworthy in this day.
If those Migs where operated by Ukrainians if would be certainly newsworthy in this day.
Used to be that ex-military white South Africans predominated in this aviation work across Africa, but times move on.
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Now on a related topic bit surprised by BA65 actually (LHR-NBO) turning back and many other scattering around. Does Sudan have SAM or an actual air force ? Yes, in case of a need to divert things can get dicey but the overfly a war torn regions by commercial aviation is unfortunately relatively common. I guess never too prudent...
Sudden, and maybe disorganised withdrawal of ATC services, perhaps?
Common sense perhaps?
Now on a related topic bit surprised by BA65 actually (LHR-NBO) turning back and many other scattering around. Does Sudan have SAM or an actual air force ? Yes, in case of a need to divert things can get dicey but the overfly a war torn regions by commercial aviation is unfortunately relatively common. I guess never too prudent...
Sudden, and maybe disorganised withdrawal of ATC services, perhaps?
Common sense perhaps?
Listing of current Sudanese Air Force fleet here, details from Flightglobal page 30
https://www.flightglobal.com/download?ac=90688
Combat aircraft - Type, Number Of
A-5 20
F-6 8
F-7 20
MiG-21 4
MiG-23 3
MiG-29 10
Su-24 3
Su-25 14
Transport
An-12 10
An-26 4
An-30/32 8
C-130H 1
DHC-5 1
Il-76 1
Combat helicopter
Bell 205 2
Bell 212 3
Mi-8/17/171 24
Mi-24/35 43
Training aircraft/helicopters
FTC-2000 6
K-8 5
MiG-29 1
https://www.flightglobal.com/download?ac=90688
Combat aircraft - Type, Number Of
A-5 20
F-6 8
F-7 20
MiG-21 4
MiG-23 3
MiG-29 10
Su-24 3
Su-25 14
Transport
An-12 10
An-26 4
An-30/32 8
C-130H 1
DHC-5 1
Il-76 1
Combat helicopter
Bell 205 2
Bell 212 3
Mi-8/17/171 24
Mi-24/35 43
Training aircraft/helicopters
FTC-2000 6
K-8 5
MiG-29 1
Report in the New York Times is that destroyed aircraft at Khartoum are now 20, almost all Soviet types (if you can break through the paywall)
Sudan Live Updates: At Least 180 Dead and Hundreds Injured in Fighting - The New York Times (nytimes.com)
as a satellite photo after the first attack showed upwards of 40 airliners there, I guess they are working through them.
Sudan Live Updates: At Least 180 Dead and Hundreds Injured in Fighting - The New York Times (nytimes.com)
as a satellite photo after the first attack showed upwards of 40 airliners there, I guess they are working through them.
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One of the destroyed planes is the Sudanese VIP Il-62M ST-PRA, which seems to have been active at least until 2020 edit: 2017. Can't be too many of those flying around anymore.
Also 3 (edit: 2) Il-76 and numerous Antonovs.
The hangar with the Egyptian Air Force Mig 29 apparently has been bombed in the meanwhile, state of the aircraft unknown. Three Migs outside appear to be damaged, one of them likely destroyed. A Chinese-build FTC-2000 (JL-9) jet trainer / light attack aircraft has also been hit.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...royed-in-sudan
The hangar with the Egyptian Air Force Mig 29 apparently has been bombed in the meanwhile, state of the aircraft unknown. Three Migs outside appear to be damaged, one of them likely destroyed. A Chinese-build FTC-2000 (JL-9) jet trainer / light attack aircraft has also been hit.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...royed-in-sudan
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