The Warship: Tour of Duty
The question I would like to see addressed is why we built two huge aircraft carriers and prepared to send them East although we lacked the ships to screen them. Being then in production myself I cannot say I remember the last time we sent two capital ships to the Far East without any screening, but I read that it did not end happily. Maybe it's as well that one seems to have been crowned Dockyard Queen.
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The question I would like to see addressed is why we built two huge aircraft carriers and prepared to send them East although we lacked the ships to screen them. Being then in production myself I cannot say I remember the last time we sent two capital ships to the Far East without any screening, but I read that it did not end happily. Maybe it's as well that one seems to have been crowned Dockyard Queen.
This multinational force was escorted by:
2x Type 45 destroyers (Defender & Diamond)
2x Type 23 frigates (Richmond and Kent)
1x US Arleigh-Burke class destroyer (The Sullivans)
1x NL De Zeven Provincien class frigate/destroyer (Evertsen)
Plus support from RFA Fort Victoria and RFA Tidespring (which were both CIWS equipped) and most likely an Astute class SSN which is rarely talked about.
Before anyone comments about the US and Dutch ships being there, it is commonplace for UK and European warships to be part of U.S. Carrier Battle Groups in this way, so that is just not an issue for the RN.
Yes PoW has admittedly got technical defects to resolve, but does the decision to build two ships not make complete sense now? When defects on Charles de Gaulle occur, that leaves France without an aircraft carrier completely.
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Ronnie 'know wot I mean' Lambert... I found him more and more annoying as the series went on. I've worked alongside a couple of similar guys in the past but at least it was only for five-day eight-hour shifts. I can't imagine being cooped up in the same mess with his like for months on end. 
I assume he'd have been weeded out of any submarine posting?
My favourite character was the unflappable radar screen analyst (or whatever they're called). The sort of guy who gives the vibe of being utterly dependable in action.
I assume he'd have been weeded out of any submarine posting?
My favourite character was the unflappable radar screen analyst (or whatever they're called). The sort of guy who gives the vibe of being utterly dependable in action.
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Ronnie 'know wot I mean' Lambert... I found him more and more annoying as the series went on. I've worked alongside a couple of similar guys in the past but at least it was only for five-day eight-hour shifts. I can't imagine being cooped up in the same mess with his like for months on end.
I assume he'd have been weeded out of any submarine posting?
My favourite character was the unflappable radar screen analyst (or whatever they're called). The sort of guy who gives the vibe of being utterly dependable in action.
I assume he'd have been weeded out of any submarine posting?
My favourite character was the unflappable radar screen analyst (or whatever they're called). The sort of guy who gives the vibe of being utterly dependable in action.
Hear! Hear!
Jack
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This multinational force was escorted by:
2x Type 45 destroyers (Defender & Diamond)
2x Type 23 frigates (Richmond and Kent)
Plus an SSN for sure
And what does that leave elsewhere - its 30% of the RN's total active surface fleet in one spot
2x Type 45 destroyers (Defender & Diamond)
2x Type 23 frigates (Richmond and Kent)
Plus an SSN for sure
And what does that leave elsewhere - its 30% of the RN's total active surface fleet in one spot
As ever, you seem utterly unable to express what you think the RN isn't doing "because carriers bad, innit?".
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Presumably *a* Principal Warfare Officer (role), rather than *the* Principal Warfare Officer (main man). I would assume the head honcho was a head of department and Lt Cdr...
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The question I would like to see addressed is why we built two huge aircraft carriers and prepared to send them East although we lacked the ships to screen them. Being then in production myself I cannot say I remember the last time we sent two capital ships to the Far East without any screening, but I read that it did not end happily. Maybe it's as well that one seems to have been crowned Dockyard Queen.
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Still - at the same time, the RN managed to have five patrol ships deployed overseas, three more in UK waters, Montrose in the Gulf along with four tupperware tubs and an RFA - and IIRC, an LSG pootling around as well. Plus the FRE, CASD and duty SSN. This - during a period when the T45s are undergoing a major upgrade and several T23 are in various stages of Lifex refits.
As ever, you seem utterly unable to express what you think the RN isn't doing "because carriers bad, innit?".
As ever, you seem utterly unable to express what you think the RN isn't doing "because carriers bad, innit?".
Jack
"As ever, you seem utterly unable to express what you think the RN isn't doing "because carriers bad, innit?"."
Not bad - just unaffordable and not what we need
Not bad - just unaffordable and not what we need
I note that having whinged about "what was left elsewhere", you've not responded to what the RN was actually doing over that period.
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Something I found interesting were the remarks about people moving on.
On average (if it can be as basic as that), what percentage of the crew are changed for each sailing?
I appreciate sailings may be months apart so they have to do something in between... but that must mean that fresh learning curve is present at the start of every voyage and is it the same for all vessels?
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On average (if it can be as basic as that), what percentage of the crew are changed for each sailing?
I appreciate sailings may be months apart so they have to do something in between... but that must mean that fresh learning curve is present at the start of every voyage and is it the same for all vessels?
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Let's just avoid it descending into one of those "he said, she said" arguments that happen all too often on bulletin boards
Something I found interesting were the remarks about people moving on.
On average (if it can be as basic as that), what percentage of the crew are changed for each sailing?
I appreciate sailings may be months apart so they have to do something in between... but that must mean that fresh learning curve is present at the start of every voyage and is it the same for all vessels?.
On average (if it can be as basic as that), what percentage of the crew are changed for each sailing?
I appreciate sailings may be months apart so they have to do something in between... but that must mean that fresh learning curve is present at the start of every voyage and is it the same for all vessels?.
We're never going to agree on this NAB - you believe one thing I believe another. And nothing either of say will change our respective minds. Any point I make you disagree, any point you make I disagree.
Let's just avoid it descending into one of those "he said, she said" arguments that happen all too often on bulletin boards
Let's just avoid it descending into one of those "he said, she said" arguments that happen all too often on bulletin boards
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