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Old 13th Sep 2022, 10:22
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They have been up and down the Ukraine border almost daily since Feb, along with a couple of other similar aircraft.
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Doing their job, the reason that they were acquired.
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No JSTARS tho? I'm surprised they have not 'gone dark' but I guess they have to stay visible due to other civil traffic? What can they do that SATCOM etc can't these days one wonders?
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No JSTARS tho? I'm surprised they have not 'gone dark' but I guess they have to stay visible due to other civil traffic? What can they do that SATCOM etc can't these days one wonders?
Even uninformed speculation about such matters is foolish.
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Even uninformed speculation about such matters is foolish.
Get over yourself, it's a publicly accessible rumour site....

Doubt that ANY actual capability of RC-135W will be available in public. BUT, if the capability could be replaced by satellites, then neither we, or the USAF, would be bothering with RC-135W's...
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Safe to say that assets with transponders turned on want everyone (including any adversary) to know they're there. Wikipedia will give you a high-level indication of what they probably do, but as VM says further speculation is unhelpful.

Any aircraft that don't want to advertise their presence will be perfectly capable of staying out of the way of civil traffic.
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Is that track hand-drawn? If not did the Russians not mind or notice it flying directly over Crimea??
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Is that track hand-drawn? If not did the Russians not mind or notice it flying directly over Crimea??
Yes, that was hand drawn for likley route

Here's yesterday's - one RAF and one USAF RJ were on station again!
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Often pairing with top cover Global Hawk
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Maybe having an RJ around persuades the bad guys not to use their top-of-the-range kit, to avoid it being picked up by the good guys?
Just saying.....
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Safe to say that assets with transponders turned on want everyone (including any adversary) to know they're there. Wikipedia will give you a high-level indication of what they probably do, but as VM says further speculation is unhelpful.

Any aircraft that don't want to advertise their presence will be perfectly capable of staying out of the way of civil traffic.
Yep notice there has not been one US awacs broadcasting, but every day theres a nato one up and its only during the daylight. You expect me to believe that there is no awacs operating in europe overnight ? An american one will occaisionally transmit while transitting or refueling but in general they are dark
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No JSTARS tho? I'm surprised they have not 'gone dark' but I guess they have to stay visible due to other civil traffic? What can they do that SATCOM etc can't these days one wonders?
JSTARS has been doing regular flights as well, caling themselves "Redeye 6". Many surveillance assets from NATO countries and Sewden have been particpating all along the western boundaries and Black Sea.
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No JSTARS tho? I'm surprised they have not 'gone dark' but I guess they have to stay visible due to other civil traffic? What can they do that SATCOM etc can't these days one wonders?
Because wewant them to know we're watching them.
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Because we want them to know we're watching them.
JSTARS an Rivet Joint up over Poland today. Looking elsewhere instead of into Russia. Can only mean they are 'searching' for the Nordstream antagonists maybe??

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The Rivet Joints have been regular for a while.

23/9/22 VVHG725 MH-60R Strike Hawk was active off Kaliningrad almost like it was looking for something up to no good.
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JSTARS an Rivet Joint up over Poland today. Looking elsewhere instead of into Russia. Can only mean they are 'searching' for the Nordstream antagonists maybe??
Not necessarily, I don't suppose there's any reason why the kit that damaged the pipelines couldn't have come from Kalingrad (it's relatively close and the US helo sniffing around the area the other day was directly north of there) but there's been constant activity around Kalingrad throughout the whole period. Lithuanian airspace also usually has a couple of Guardrails looking into Kalingrad and East into Russia as well as the Joint Rivets and Joint Stars.

The Swedes are also at today on the NW side of the Baltic.
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Not necessarily, I don't suppose there's any reason why the kit that damaged the pipelines couldn't have come from Kalingrad (it's relatively close and the US helo sniffing around the area the other day was directly north of there) but there's been constant activity around Kalingrad throughout the whole period. Lithuanian airspace also usually has a couple of Guardrails looking into Kalingrad and East into Russia as well as the Joint Rivets and Joint Stars.

The Swedes are also at today on the NW side of the Baltic.
Agree, I thought it odd the level of AT aircraft from across NATO into Lithuania last week. A UK C17 visited as well as a Spanish and then German A400M. They also had RJs over Lithuania all last week.
Why on earth would Russia attack the pipeline that provides them revenue from the EU? The pipeline they control the gas into?? They would simply turn it off their end rather than attack the pipes in foreign waters at great risk! This smells of the EU being the USA's sacrificial lamb in their attempts to demonize Russia for daring to protect their own citizens in Donbass etc - where they have been murdered by Azovs et al since 2014 (the year the CIA helped overthrow their democratically elected president).
Ukraine is ALL about US oligarchs cutting off Nordstream 2 - because cheap Russian energy into the EU would be a threat to USD hegemony - allowing Germany etc to undercut US costs of production. Their Empire is dying of a debt induced coma whilst the power and money shifts to Asia - look for Mark Carney's 2019 speech as Jackson Hole - the Oligarchs know this and are slowly dismantling the uni-polar world order and USD reserve currency with 'their' solution- digitized serfdom via Central Bank Digital Currencies and Digital ID.
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Agree, I thought it odd the level of AT aircraft from across NATO into Lithuania last week. A UK C17 visited as well as a Spanish and then German A400M. They also had RJs over Lithuania all last week.
Why on earth would Russia attack the pipeline that provides them revenue from the EU? The pipeline they control the gas into?? They would simply turn it off their end rather than attack the pipes in foreign waters at great risk! This smells of the EU being the USA's sacrificial lamb in their attempts to demonize Russia for daring to protect their own citizens in Donbass etc - where they have been murdered by Azovs et al since 2014 (the year the CIA helped overthrow their democratically elected president).
Ukraine is ALL about US oligarchs cutting off Nordstream 2 - because cheap Russian energy into the EU would be a threat to USD hegemony - allowing Germany etc to undercut US costs of production. Their Empire is dying of a debt induced coma whilst the power and money shifts to Asia - look for Mark Carney's 2019 speech as Jackson Hole - the Oligarchs know this and are slowly dismantling the uni-polar world order and USD reserve currency with 'their' solution- digitized serfdom via Central Bank Digital Currencies and Digital ID.
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Agree, I thought it odd the level of AT aircraft from across NATO into Lithuania last week. A UK C17 visited as well as a Spanish and then German A400M. They also had RJs over Lithuania all last week.
Why on earth would Russia attack the pipeline that provides them revenue from the EU? The pipeline they control the gas into?? They would simply turn it off their end rather than attack the pipes in foreign waters at great risk! This smells of the EU being the USA's sacrificial lamb in their attempts to demonize Russia for daring to protect their own citizens in Donbass etc - where they have been murdered by Azovs et al since 2014 (the year the CIA helped overthrow their democratically elected president).
Ukraine is ALL about US oligarchs cutting off Nordstream 2 - because cheap Russian energy into the EU would be a threat to USD hegemony - allowing Germany etc to undercut US costs of production. Their Empire is dying of a debt induced coma whilst the power and money shifts to Asia - look for Mark Carney's 2019 speech as Jackson Hole - the Oligarchs know this and are slowly dismantling the uni-polar world order and USD reserve currency with 'their' solution- digitized serfdom via Central Bank Digital Currencies and Digital ID.
German and Spanish A400s may well have been refuelling the unseen. Can the RAF's C-17 do that? I think the US has trialled it. Or they were supporting Nato troops in Lithuania.

As for why it Nordstream? To demonstrate subsea strike capability. The gas had been (temporarily) been switched off and the Eu's weening itself off Russian gas so it's not about that. Probably scaremongering about cables etc.

As for the rest, it supports a need for a tinfoil hat emoji.
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