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Simply flying through that area regularly, many radar units are unwilling even to give you the call sign of their neighbours. It’s a rare Belgrade controller who will tell you to contact Sarajevo or KFOR, similarly a rare Zagreb controller who will tell you to contact Belgrade…
Originally Posted by ex-fast-jets
They did not seem keen to get on with each other.
The Dayton agreement was only achieved by quite a bit of arm twisting. (Red an article recently about those weeks in Ohio, I'll see if I can find a link). The three parties went into it feeling that they had done so "Against our wills, Papa, against our wills!"
Originally Posted by Jwscud
Simply flying through that area regularly, many radar units are unwilling even to give you the call sign of their neighbours. It’s a rare Belgrade controller who will tell you to contact Sarajevo or KFOR, similarly a rare Zagreb controller who will tell you to contact Belgrade…
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Spent many dets in Kosovo 99/2000. Always knew this was not finished. Speak to any Serb. They waited a long time to kick the Ottomans out. They then get their country handed to the Albanians, courtesy of NATO.
Do not believe the western narrative that think the Albanians were all sweet and light and the Serbs were evil. There were atrocities on both sides, but we were fed the party line.
Do not fall for the narrative.
Do not believe the western narrative that think the Albanians were all sweet and light and the Serbs were evil. There were atrocities on both sides, but we were fed the party line.
Do not fall for the narrative.
Originally Posted by Marly Lite
Spent many dets in Kosovo 99/2000. Always knew this was not finished. Speak to any Serb. They waited a long time to kick the Ottomans out. They then get their country handed to the Albanians, courtesy of NATO.
Do not believe the western narrative that think the Albanians were all sweet and light and the Serbs were evil. There were atrocities on both sides, but we were fed the party line.
Do not fall for the narrative.
Do not believe the western narrative that think the Albanians were all sweet and light and the Serbs were evil. There were atrocities on both sides, but we were fed the party line.
Do not fall for the narrative.
It is sobering when one has to read Xinhua or the World Socialist Web site to get a more balanced view of events.
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Originally Posted by Marly Lite
Spent many dets in Kosovo 99/2000. Always knew this was not finished. Speak to any Serb. They waited a long time to kick the Ottomans out. They then get their country handed to the Albanians, courtesy of NATO.
Do not believe the western narrative that think the Albanians were all sweet and light and the Serbs were evil. There were atrocities on both sides, but we were fed the party line.
Do not fall for the narrative.
Do not believe the western narrative that think the Albanians were all sweet and light and the Serbs were evil. There were atrocities on both sides, but we were fed the party line.
Do not fall for the narrative.
The Albanians are autochthonous to the region. Serbs are not. The Albanian population in Kosovo is around 95%. But you say its Serbian Land? Go spew your propaganda somewhere else.
Originally Posted by etudiant
Agree entirely with you, but the party line is really pervasive. It is almost as if there was a monopoly on the news.
It is sobering when one has to read Xinhua or the World Socialist Web site to get a more balanced view of events.
It is sobering when one has to read Xinhua or the World Socialist Web site to get a more balanced view of events.
Originally Posted by Marly Lite
Spent many dets in Kosovo 99/2000. Always knew this was not finished. Speak to any Serb. They waited a long time to kick the Ottomans out. They then get their country handed to the Albanians, courtesy of NATO.
Do not believe the western narrative that think the Albanians were all sweet and light and the Serbs were evil. There were atrocities on both sides, but we were fed the party line.
Do not fall for the narrative.
Do not believe the western narrative that think the Albanians were all sweet and light and the Serbs were evil. There were atrocities on both sides, but we were fed the party line.
Do not fall for the narrative.
The unintended consequence was the First World War along with the collapse of the regime in Russia.
I hope that this history is not repeating itself. Perhaps Serbian politicians could learn from history that Russian promises are worthless.
Bit of thread creep but I feel justified as I'm sure a lot of people maybe thinking the same.
Serbia, Ukraine, Chinese tanks now sabre rattling on Fujian beaches. The US in Taiwan.
Are we looking at an inevitable World Wide escalation here?
I'm asking hoping you will all say `no way` as it is a little scary.
Serbia, Ukraine, Chinese tanks now sabre rattling on Fujian beaches. The US in Taiwan.
Are we looking at an inevitable World Wide escalation here?
I'm asking hoping you will all say `no way` as it is a little scary.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
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There are reasons fo4 launching surprise attacks - a visit by a 82 year old leader of a lower chamber of government who will be out of office within a few months isn’t one of them…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%27s_final_warning
“China’s final warning”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%27s_final_warning
“China’s final warning”
Originally Posted by ORAC
There are reasons fo4 launching surprise attacks - a visit by a 82 year old leader of a lower chamber of government who will be out of office within a few months isn’t one of them…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%27s_final_warning
“China’s final warning”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%27s_final_warning
“China’s final warning”
Her position as the Speaker of the House (next in line of succession after the Vice President) makes her visit carry a certain amount of political messaging weight. I also doubt that she'll lose her bid for re election in November.
Nice link, thanks. But...
President Xi has been slowly consolidating power and using quite a bit of rhetoric that involves "the century/centuries of humiliation" so relying on the final warning being an empty threat seems to me a careless approach - given China's much increased capability in the last quarter of a century.
President Xi may be itching to establish a precedent that "China's Final Warning" can no longer be taken lightly.
Originally Posted by ORAC
She may not be retiring, but all the polls say the democrats won’t have the majority and she won’t be the speaker any more…
(See also the predictions of Dewey beating Truman ~ whoops, that one didn't pan out either!)
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Originally Posted by Jwscud
Simply flying through that area regularly, many radar units are unwilling even to give you the call sign of their neighbours. It’s a rare Belgrade controller who will tell you to contact Sarajevo or KFOR, similarly a rare Zagreb controller who will tell you to contact Belgrade…
But I will informaly investigate case...
It is simple impossible because it is written that you must tell: the name of unit , type of service AND frequency (e.g. Zagreb radar 120.7, Banja Luka radar 136.05, Belgrade radar 123.775 etc...-you can not shorten it..)
Interestingly, following a string of Italians commanding KFOR, it is now Hungarian-led. Given that Viktor Orban is not exactly one of Putins staunchest critics, might there be any significance in the timing of this latest trouble, and might there be scope for interference from Hungary in the KFOR response?
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History not only repeats, it gets worse
A few years ago on holiday in Istanbul I went to the military museum. On display was what was claimed to be the original Ottoman flag flown at the battle of Kosovo in 1448 (but it looked like a replica to me) . This battle was between the Turks and Hungarians. The Ottomans won and went on to capture Serbia and the rest of the Balkans, before going on to take Constantinople in 1453.
After the successful Greek revolt against the Ottomans in the 1820s, the Greeks came up with the Megali Idea (Big Idea). They wanted to recapture Constantinople for Christianity.
It's not only not over, it's hardly started. And once more the Russians are involved.
Only odd numbered world wars start in the Balkans. Oh!
After the successful Greek revolt against the Ottomans in the 1820s, the Greeks came up with the Megali Idea (Big Idea). They wanted to recapture Constantinople for Christianity.
It's not only not over, it's hardly started. And once more the Russians are involved.
Only odd numbered world wars start in the Balkans. Oh!
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
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Ukraine’s 40-strong peacekeeping unit, part of the KFOR mission, is leaving Kosovo
Originally Posted by SINGAPURCANAC
ahh 
This thread becomes expert one.
Battle of Kosovo in 1448,
Hungarian vs Turks
This thread becomes expert one.
Battle of Kosovo in 1448,
Hungarian vs Turks
Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50
The battle of Kosovo that I usually think of was in 1398. Now I have to look up that later one.
The place is soaked in blood, has been since Byzantine days, when one of the more successful emperors got the honorific title of 'Bulgar Killer'..The Turks just added to the mayhem, centuries later.
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Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50
The battle of Kosovo that I usually think of was in 1398. Now I have to look up that later one.
I claim no expertise here, I simply reported that I saw the flag. Judging from the number of images available this is a live issue still. Are the Kosovans (a) an oppressed minority (b) a threat to their neighbours, with support from Turkey (c) both (d) not worth learning about?
two crossed flags Kosovo and Turkey waving in wind at cloudy sky. Concept of relationship, dialog, travelling between two countries. 3d illustration Stock Photo - Alamy
