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Old 29th Sep 2022, 11:16
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Originally Posted by snapper41
It passed me by, but I see that, back in July, the RAF renamed LAC and SAC as Air Specialist Class 2 or 1 respectively. What utter nonsense, and presumably done to rid the world of those horrible terms ‘aircraftman’ and ‘aircraftwoman’ that so offended no one, ever. More Wigston wokery…
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Old 29th Sep 2022, 13:04
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Originally Posted by snapper41
It passed me by, but I see that, back in July, the RAF renamed LAC and SAC as Air Specialist Class 2 or 1 respectively. What utter nonsense, and presumably done to rid the world of those horrible terms ‘aircraftman’ and ‘aircraftwoman’ that so offended no one, ever. More Wigston wokery…
How very American....

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Old 29th Sep 2022, 13:25
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Oh the drama, won't someone please think of all the retired dinosaurs getting upset by this...
Not upset, just want to know what my serving family member is to be called.
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Old 29th Sep 2022, 13:54
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Originally Posted by langleybaston
Not upset, just want to know what my serving family member is to be called.
Do they still get to wear their Battle of Gatwick medals ?
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Old 29th Sep 2022, 14:00
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Originally Posted by langleybaston
Not upset, just want to know what my serving family member is to be called.
Ask her!

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Old 29th Sep 2022, 14:28
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Originally Posted by cheekychimp
I'll bite. Aviator is for everyone in the RAF, Gunner is still just for the RAF Regiment. Just as before, you would speak of RAF Regiment Gunners not RAF Regiment Airmen, it's still RAF Regiment Gunners not RAF Regiment Aviators. Even though we're all Aviators in the RAF :-)
I know, I know just winding up the Rocks!

Actually, out of everything going on at the moment this bothers me least. My dad was an AC1 and AC2 during the war so AS1 and 2 is not that revolutionary. “Aviators” on the other hand……
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Old 29th Sep 2022, 14:39
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LAC/SAC & LACWSACW are gender correct terms. Since there are only two genders in the human race, ie. the gender you were born with.
Human beings are not like some fish, amphibians and some other animals who can change gender at will.
We are born male or female and cannot change. No matter what some will tell you!
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Old 29th Sep 2022, 15:04
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Originally Posted by Compass Call
LAC/SAC & LACWSACW are gender correct terms. Since there are only two genders in the human race, ie. the gender you were born with.
Human beings are not like some fish, amphibians and some other animals who can change gender at will.
We are born male or female and cannot change. No matter what some will tell you!
It takes a bit more intervention but it can be done.
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Old 29th Sep 2022, 15:14
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Originally Posted by Compass Call
LAC/SAC & LACWSACW are gender correct terms. Since there are only two genders in the human race, ie. the gender you were born with.
Human beings are not like some fish, amphibians and some other animals who can change gender at will.
We are born male or female and cannot change. No matter what some will tell you!
Presumably the argument is that your gender (whether male or female, and whether or not the one you were born with) is entirely irrelevant and therefore does not need to be reflected in your rank designation.

Would you not agree?
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Old 29th Sep 2022, 15:32
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The language changes all the time - no point in getting all upset about it.
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Old 29th Sep 2022, 15:53
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK
Presumably the argument is that your gender (whether male or female, and whether or not the one you were born with) is entirely irrelevant and therefore does not need to be reflected in your rank designation.

Would you not agree?
Then you could have SACW Acting and SAC acting, for those that are in between.

or SACM and SACF for male and female and SACT for transitioning etc. with (T) to signify technical. So that would be Senior Aircrafts Man and Senior Aircrafts Female
The other would have been to simply drop the terms Senior Aircraftsman and simply change the designation to SAC without it being short for or meaning anything else.

But we have been over this before.
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Old 29th Sep 2022, 15:55
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Originally Posted by downsizer
Ask her!

Do you ask the internet everything in life?
Too dangerous asking a Rock: she would say "I are a Rock, innit!"
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Old 29th Sep 2022, 18:15
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Good God man! As soon as I've done up my puttees and drawn out the Mess Webley, I'll be dashing off a signal to the chaps at Bentley Priory and stop this malarkey in its tracks.
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Old 29th Sep 2022, 19:32
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A question then...what is the correct term for addressing a female SWO? (Waddington have recently appointed one). I wouldn't want to call her "Mister", and Mrs doesn't sound right. Is it now Ms (mzz)?
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Old 29th Sep 2022, 19:36
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Old 29th Sep 2022, 19:38
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The funny thing about gender is prior to death there are Woman, Man, Non-Binary, Gender Queer, Gender Fluid, Transgender. However, after a serious accident, and there are a clatter of bits to identify, they only find Men and Women!

Surely, some mishtake…
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Old 29th Sep 2022, 21:14
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Originally Posted by Compass Call
Ma'am
Other ranks perhaps, but what would an officer call the SWO? It was Mr so-and-so for a male SWO - I wonder what it is for a female SWO?
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Old 29th Sep 2022, 21:30
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Shades of Officer Harvey!

However, the question is a bloody good one ............... the army must have solved it surely?

[And dare I wonder if female SWOs in general self-identify as something or other or other]

Nice to know that my hypothesis is correct: I am the only sane person around, and I might just be a figment of someone's imagination.

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Old 29th Sep 2022, 22:48
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Originally Posted by Wensleydale
Other ranks perhaps, but what would an officer call the SWO? It was Mr so-and-so for a male SWO - I wonder what it is for a female SWO?
Whatever she's put in her signature block!
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Old 30th Sep 2022, 06:07
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK
Presumably the argument is that your gender (whether male or female, and whether or not the one you were born with) is entirely irrelevant and therefore does not need to be reflected in your rank designation.

Would you not agree?
Gender is irrelevant until you book your fitness test.
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