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Old 4th Jun 2022, 17:10
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips
Well now that you ask...on here, highly likely...this will be reflected in the number of pages of course.

All I can say, is, the RAF abolished the best rank it ever had many years ago....J/T
Many years before that actually. Master Pilot. No, I wasn't one; before my time.
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Old 4th Jun 2022, 17:12
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Next to go will be Pilot Officer. Not a Pilot, obviously, as not a Graduate Entry. So some other pointless change to squllions of documents and legislation.

Keep the CS clerks fully occupied, eh, Sir Humphrey?

I really do worry about the mental processes of those driving these pointless and expensive escapades.
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Originally Posted by teeteringhead
Can those working on the Atlas have one with 8 blades please........
There's the flaw in your plan Teeters....nobody actually works on Atlas, they just look at them sat outside on the line....
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Old 4th Jun 2022, 17:15
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My Father was a Senior Technician........
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Originally Posted by Haraka
My Father was a Senior Technician........
Mine was a Captain.

RA, not RN.
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Old 4th Jun 2022, 17:28
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Father's reaction after what he saw as an attack on the technical trades was an education..A Halton Brat from 1939 he chucked it in in disgust and went out in to the aircraft industry.( where he did quite well).
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Well I cannot find a mention - link please (iusedtobe a J/T)
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Old 4th Jun 2022, 17:52
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It's in an IBN. Briefed to those it affects I guess?
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Old 4th Jun 2022, 18:00
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Thanks, lost the plot when they became Aviators.
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Old 4th Jun 2022, 18:27
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Originally Posted by MPN11
Next to go will be Pilot Officer. Not a Pilot, obviously, as not a Graduate Entry. So some other pointless change to squllions of documents and legislation.

Keep the CS clerks fully occupied, eh, Sir Humphrey?

I really do worry about the mental processes of those driving these pointless and expensive escapades.
Surely they should also drop the pilot, flying, flight , Etc from the officer ranks as they to have no bearing for the modern day duvet stackers or leased transport officers..
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Are our sister services also trashing their traditional rank appelations?
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Old 4th Jun 2022, 19:03
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Originally Posted by Haraka
My Father was a Senior Technician........
I remember the introduction of the (I think) 1964 Trade Structure in the RAF, upside down chevrons (?) were abolished and a Chief Tech had what I'd had as a (was it senior) cadet in the CCF - a four blade prop above the three chevrons. I remember the 'techies' were very pi$$ed off as being sort of demoted below Flt Sgt rank. The only reason I can vaguely recall this is that it featured in the B Promotion exam to Flt Lt.
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Old 4th Jun 2022, 19:29
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😕 Pointless, divisive, expensive.
How does any of this sh!t improve, sorry "streamline" anything?
Documentation to be re-written, rank badges to be revised/ redesigned, pay scales to be revised and or amalgamated, which takes us back to documentation.
Met a good pal (ex-RN) yesterday, and of course the expected usual inter- service verbal abuse took place. He works for the MOD at a RAF unit as a civvie now, and he was close to tears, or perhaps a bladder evacuation when we spoke about this.
A nonesense, a total nonsense. 🙄
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Old 4th Jun 2022, 19:35
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Who said the pay scales or rank badges were getting changed.....they aren't.
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Old 4th Jun 2022, 20:35
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Who gets 2 blades and who gets 3? Is it defined?
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Old 4th Jun 2022, 21:03
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Can those working on the Atlas have one with 8 blades please........
…and how many blades in your badge if you work on turbo fans?

asking for a friend.
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Old 4th Jun 2022, 21:12
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Originally Posted by Haraka
Are our sister services also trashing their traditional rank appelations?
The RAF hasn't been around long enough to have traditions, only habits.
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Old 4th Jun 2022, 21:14
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Originally Posted by Dan Gerous
The RAF hasn't been around long enough to have traditions, only habits.
And bad ones at that...

(hat, coat, door...)
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Old 4th Jun 2022, 23:53
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It’s just a name change to stop the very few that getting their knickers in a twist about this sort of stuff (ie. the muttering minority that normally have unofficial RAF Twitter accounts). It is being implemented on 1st July 2022. Basically:

Air Recruit replaces Leading Aircraftman (AC)
Air Specialist (2nd Class) replaces Leading Aircraftman (LAC)
Air Specialist (1st Class) replaces Senior Aircraftman (SAC)
Air Specialist Technician (1st Class) replaces Senior Aircraftman (Technician) (SAC(T))

Not a big deal really. Same pay scales and same insignia. However, I do think they ballsed up the last one. Personally I would have gone for Air Technician and given them a 4 bladed prop badge again - as there is only one Technician rank at that level then there is no need for the 1st Class anyway.

Of course we also have Airborne Specialists now (the common name for the ‘flying Fighter Controllers’, Airborne Technicians, Mission Intelligence Coordinators, non-Aircrew Flight Test Engineers and Cabin Crew) as a term for Ground Branch/Trade/Profession personnel employed on airborne duties or operating an aircraft. So there is room for a bit of confusion - but no more than the aviator thing that goes against the definition in every English dictionary in the world. So 2 steps forward and 2 steps back in my opinion.
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Old 5th Jun 2022, 00:06
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You could of course be accused to be introducing an inferiority complex as 2nd class can equally be miss understood as inferior to 1st class. Surely Air Specialist One and Two would have made more sense.
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