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Old 18th Apr 2022, 09:45
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Tricky to integrate when you are locked up behind fences
Not really, Crab. Those behind fences are having their asylum claims processed. Whilst a good proportion of them will be found to have legitimate claims and homed in the UK, a number of them will not.

When you say fences, they’ve good accommodation, large open areas, food and water. I’d take that any day whilst my claim is being processed rather than being hunted down and persecuted in my own country.
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FL - perhaps read this for a slightly less rosy insight https://newhumanist.org.uk/articles/...r-hotel-scheme
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FL - perhaps read this for a slightly less rosy insight https://newhumanist.org.uk/articles/...r-hotel-scheme
I’m sure that’s correct. I could also find you a number of other stories which will say Linton is a significant improvement over living with nothing, fleeing from war and persecution with the strong possibility of being killed.
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Perhaps people would have more empathy with the illegal migrants if they stayed in one of the many safe countries they pass through, before illegal entry into the UK.
They do not enter the UK illegally.

As of today it's perfectly legal to rock up in the UK by any means and claim asylum so long as you do so immediately.
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I’m sure that’s correct. I could also find you a number of other stories which will say Linton is a significant improvement over living with nothing, fleeing from war and persecution with the strong possibility of being killed.
I know there's nothing much wrong with Linton, I trained there in the 80s.

I wasn't one of those complaining about the refugees being sent there.
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Old 18th Apr 2022, 16:51
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They do not enter the UK illegally.

As of today it's perfectly legal to rock up in the UK by any means and claim asylum so long as you do so immediately.
Not really true though is it.
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Old 18th Apr 2022, 18:33
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Just to clear up a few of the misconceptions from earlier posters.

1. The people to be housed are NOT families seeking lawful refuge, they are single males who have entered this country illegally.

2. Their asylum status and background is perhaps as vague as it could possibly be for someone who has thrown away their passport and won't provide truthful country-of-origin information (a common tactic apparently).

3.They will not be in any form of secure area, and will be totally free to roam. Note these are NOT peole who have been successful with an applcation, but those who are in the process AND may yet have their application denied. 500+ free to roam in a community of around 1000 people.

4. This is most definitely NOT NIMBY-ism; this should NOT be happening in anyone's backyard.

5. The knowledge of this has been with people in the government/military for quite some time. You don't just come up with this overnight. If it is not such a problem, then why all the subterfuge and denials?

6. One local idiot has said that having 500+ illegals is no different to havng 500 airmen on the base!

7. The figure of 500... no one will say what the actual figure is going to be. The weasily words used state "upwards of 500" . I can see that tripled when the Rwanda malarky gets kicked into touch, and other old stations used.


If anyone says there is an over-reaction, then I guess in every instance listed below, there will have been the liberals saying "can't see what the fuss is about".

1. “Officials missed six chances to kick illegal immigrant Hani Khalaf out of Britain before he murdered a carer. The 22-year-old Egyptian bludgeoned Jairo Medina, 62, to death in London’s Hyde Park in August 2016 for his mobile phone and a few pounds. Khalaf was free to live in the UK despite falsely claiming to be a Syrian refugee when he arrived in Kent two years earlier hidden in a lorry. The career criminal had previously been arrested at least six times for theft and fraud, but was released rather than deported as he repeatedly lied about his identity. In 2017, Khalaf was sentenced to a minimum of 26 years in jail for murder as a judge suggested that his case should prompt a review of the law.Judge Wendy Joseph QC said the killer had ‘no respect for the law’. Khalaf was sent back into the community repeatedly and Mr Medina, a Colombian, paid for it ‘with his life’, she added” (see media report, 2020).

2. Rachid Redouane – one of the perpetrators of the 2017 London Bridge attacks, in which 11 people were killed and 48 injured (21 critically) – was a Moroccan-born failed asylum seeker. After having his 2009 claim for asylum rejected, he remained here before going on to live in Ireland three years later. He then returned and (alongside two others) committed a barbaric, horrendous and violent attack on Londoners who were just going about their daily lives.

3. A failed asylum seeker – Eltiona Skana – killed seven-year old Emily Jones by slitting her throat in Bolton on 22 March 2020. The perpetrator’s initial claim for asylum in 2014 was refused but the Home Office then granted her leave to remain in the UK until 2024. The perpetrator was cleared of murder on the basis of diminished responsibility.

4. Khairi Saadallah – who shouted “Allahu akhbar” as he brutally murdered three men in a terror attack in Reading on 20 June 2020 – was a failed Libyan asylum seeker who reportedly illegally entered the country from Libya in 2012. Saadallah was given temporary leave to remain in 2018 despite already having amassing a string of criminal convictions and being a member of a banned terrorist group in Libya. Just two weeks prior to the attack the government said that his deportation was in the public interest but for legal reasons it could not happen.

5. Failed asylum claimant Azam Mangori – an Iraqi Kurd – was sentenced to life in prison for murdering 32-year-old Lorraine Cox in Exeter in September 2020 by smothering her with a T-shirt. He left Ms Cox’s body for a week in his flat before he dismembered her. Mangori was denied asylum in December 2018.

6. The Parson’s Green bomber – Iraqi asylum seeker Ahmed Hassan – came to Britain illegally in the back of lorry in 2015. Interviewed at an immigration centre in Croydon in January 2016, Mr Hassan, said: “They trained us how to kill. It was all religious based.” However, he was still able to claim asylum and was not removed from the UK before attempting to bomb a District Line tube trainon 15 September 2017.

7. A Somalian double rapist was allowed to stay in the UK on human rights grounds after a judge said he would face ‘degrading’ treatment in his home country due to his mental health. The 49-year-old arrived in Britain in 2004 and claimed asylum, but he amassed eight convictions in the space of six years. Robbery, trying to pervert the course of justice. Raping two different women were among his offences. He used a knife during one of these crimes and was jailed for more than seven years. Now he has been allowed to stay here. But what about the safety of the public?

8. A Sudanese asylum seeker – Badreddin Abadlla Adam – stabbed six people, including a police officer, while on a violent rampage in a hotel in Glasgow in June 2020.

9. An Afghan asylum seeker – Samiulahaq Akbari – tried to murder a complete stranger in Thornton Heath, London while ‘fuelled’ by a desire to kill English people. He was convicted of attempted murder over the rampage which took place on 8 January 2019, just 12 days after he was released from prison for another assault.

10. Kuwaiti hit and run driver – Hadi Hamid – who nearly killed two teenagers in Middlesbrough in October 2017 after ploughing into them with his car (and leaving with life-changing injuries) was allowed to stay in the UK – even though his refugee status was revoked. Hamid was sentenced to four years behind bars in February 2018 and was ordered to be deported, yet he was released from prison in October 2019 and has still not left.

11. Sudanese asylum seeker Karar Ali Karar savagely murdered 21-year-old Jodi Miller in Leeds in February 2019 by stabbing her 15 times in the head and body in an ‘explosive rage’ after she refused to have sex with him. He was jailed for life in August 2019. The question is – will he be forced to leave the UK upon leaving prison? Given the increasing failure to remove such people from the UK, it is looking unlikely.

12. Illegal Algerian immigrant Khaled Meridja, who reportedly entered Britain through France after hiding in the back of a lorry, was jailed for seven-and-a-half years in October 2019 for strangling and sexually assaulting a teenager.

13. Albanian Asdrit Kapaj- also known as the Wimbledon prowler – terrorised south west London with burglaries for a decade after also arriving in the UK in 1996 and falsely claiming to be a Kosovan refugee. After being granted indefinite leave to remain in 1999, he was refused naturalisation as a British citizen in 2011 on the grounds that he had lied about his nationality, meaning he should have been deported. He was jailed for 14 years in June 2019 after admitting to 25 charges of burglary and attempted burglary in which cash and valuables worth almost £500,000 were stolen in meticulously planned break-ins.

14. An illegal immigrant who sexually assaulted two women at packed Bournemouth beach while his friends watched and laughed was jailed for 18 months. in January 2022 (see media report). Kuku Machhal, 31, of Southall, west London, groped the women in the sea in two separate incidents on July 23 2021, Portsmouth Crown Court heard. He came to UK illegally from India in 2015 and was facing deportation at the time of the crime. But why wasn’t he removed long before it was able to occur?

15. Nigerian student Femi Nandap was arrested and charged with wielding a very large knife in a public place and attacking and biting a police officer in May 2015. After being charged, he returned to Nigeria to be treated with psychotic drugs, before coming back to the UK. Inexplicably, the charges against him were dropped. Six days later, he brutally and randomly stabbed to death Dutch academic Dr Jeroen Ensink on a street in Islington, London in broad daylight while in a cannabis-induced psychotic rage. An inquest later found failings by the Metropolitan Police following his earlier arrest, while the deputy chief crown prosecutor apologised and admitted they had made an “incorrect” decision not to pursue the assault charge (see media reports hereand here).
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Old 18th Apr 2022, 19:15
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One of the recent boatloads to arrive here in Lanzarote were casually dressed, fresh looking 25 somethings all toting fully charged mobile phones after what was purported to be a long crossing in a hugely underpowered wreck of a boat !
The method now supposedly is that they board a Mother Ship on the Moroccan coast which transports them as close as possible to the Island then decants them into the towed behind boat in a location where the winds and tide effectively bring them in. The little outboard does the rest.
Guess they never fully thought it through !!
Caught !!
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Old 18th Apr 2022, 19:35
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Hi Satco,

The trouble is that as much as your case seems solid and well made, it won't go very far. These arguments just go round in circles as the "Whole World's a Global Village" Brigade will alwasy throw counters, often disingenuous ones, to sweep any real concerns about long term harmony and prospects aside. Certainly the Labour Party, what ever they say about appreciating the need for immigration control, are sympathetic with nothing of the sort, but they will twist, for example, Brexit, and insincerely present it as a reason for why the immigration problem has been exacerbated. The left ultimately see national borders and identities as intrinsically evil!

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Old 18th Apr 2022, 19:44
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Originally Posted by Finningley Boy View Post
Hi Satco,

The trouble is that as much as your case seems solid and well made, it won't go very far. These arguments just go round in circles as the "Whole World's a Global Village" Brigade will alwasy throw counters, often disingenuous ones, to sweep any real concerns about long term harmony and prospects aside. Certainly the Labour Party, what ever they say about appreciating the need for immigration control, are sympathetic with nothing of the sort, but they will twist, for example, Brexit, and insincerely present it as a reason for why the immigration problem has been exacerbated. The left ultimately see national borders and identities as intrinsically evil!

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I don't disagree. Just sums up how the welfare of unknowns is put before that of the existing and very quiet rural community. Add security to the idea and I doubt anyone will complain. There really is very little to do at Linton and the boredom will lead to trouble.

I am very interested to know exactly what they intend to have on base to keep 500+ single males occupied for 4-6 months.
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Old 18th Apr 2022, 20:04
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Originally Posted by SATCOS WHIPPING BOY View Post
Just to clear up a few of the misconceptions from earlier posters.

1. The people to be housed are NOT families seeking lawful refuge, they are single males who have entered this country illegally.

2. Their asylum status and background is perhaps as vague as it could possibly be for someone who has thrown away their passport and won't provide truthful country-of-origin information (a common tactic apparently).

3.They will not be in any form of secure area, and will be totally free to roam. Note these are NOT peole who have been successful with an applcation, but those who are in the process AND may yet have their application denied. 500+ free to roam in a community of around 1000 people.

4. This is most definitely NOT NIMBY-ism; this should NOT be happening in anyone's backyard…….

If anyone says there is an over-reaction, then I guess in every instance listed below, there will have been the liberals saying "can't see what the fuss is about".

….. inquest later found failings by the Metropolitan Police following his earlier arrest, while the deputy chief crown prosecutor apologised and admitted they had made an “incorrect” decision not to pursue the assault charge (see media reports here and here).
SWB, well said. If I may, did you miss out the Manchester Arena murderer and the murderer of Sir David Amiss?

What have all these scum got in common? Might it be a certain religion? No-one should have to put up with these holding centres, the process should be arrive illegally, be arrested, be taken to airport in handcuffs, put on plane out of the UK to be processed. No lawyers, no appeals.
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Old 18th Apr 2022, 20:53
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In both instances, the attacker was a British citizen.
We have to be careful with regards defining all of these "visitors" as scum an dother highly emotive terms. The issue is they are all "unknowns" and if 99.8% of them are perfectly decent, law abiding young men who want to better themselves in life then that leaves the 0.2% (1 person) intent on doing harm to a member of the community. It only takes 1 to commit a murder, or a rape, or a serious assault. They have the freedom to do that and a freedom to disappear into the night, never to be found again.

The govt. is spending a lot of money on this, accommodation is available. I wonder how many homeless veterans would appreciate a safe, warm and facility-loaded place to stay FOC.
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Old 18th Apr 2022, 21:48
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Originally Posted by SATCOS WHIPPING BOY View Post
In both instances, the attacker was a British citizen.
We have to be careful with regards defining all of these "visitors" as scum an dother highly emotive terms. The issue is they are all "unknowns" and if 99.8% of them are perfectly decent, law abiding young men who want to better themselves in life then that leaves the 0.2% (1 person) intent on doing harm to a member of the community. It only takes 1 to commit a murder, or a rape, or a serious assault. They have the freedom to do that and a freedom to disappear into the night, never to be found again.

The govt. is spending a lot of money on this, accommodation is available. I wonder how many homeless veterans would appreciate a safe, warm and facility-loaded place to stay FOC.
Absolutely SWB........surely a stain on this nations character. If we can't look after those who've sworn allegiance and served this country but fallen through the cracks in the system, dear god, what are we thinking of? Charity begins at home. At the very least, this facility should be secure. It's been stated that there's been NIMBYism and xenophobia on display here.......well, I'd say there's also some breathtaking naivety on display. If these young single males think they're headed to Rwanda, they'll bomb burst. Anyone who thinks it's a good idea, put your money where your mouth is..........sponsor them and let 'em have the spare bedroom. In what universe can the rights of complete unknowns outweigh those of the residents of Linton or Manston?
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Old 18th Apr 2022, 22:03
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Originally Posted by mopardave View Post
.. In what universe can the rights of complete unknowns outweigh those of the residents of Linton or Manston?
or any former military establishement betwix the two (and beyond) that may have accommodation space easily converted. If you live near Scampton, as an example, I would be keeping a close watch on what happens these next few weeks at Linton.
Is there still any space at Cottesmore?
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Old 18th Apr 2022, 22:09
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or any former military establishement betwix the two (and beyond) that may have accommodation space easily converted. If you live near Scampton, as an example, I would be keeping a close watch on what happens these next few weeks at Linton.
Is there still any space at Cottesmore?
Absolutely!
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SWB - it's all very well listing a number of crimes committed by immigrants (illegal or not) but that doesn't present a balanced view of how many more (and equally awful) crimes are committed everyday by UK nationals of all colours and creeds.

Are there muslims calling 999 just so they can throw rocks at emergency services - is it immigrants abusing NHS staff on a daily basis? Just look at the Met police force for violent crimes.

A bit of balance rather than emotive DM journalism wouldn't go amiss - far more of our own countrymen are scumbags and scrotes than the number of immigrants. Yes, a minority of them will be bad apples/criminals but should we deny the majority a fresh start?
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I don't post much, but I am dismayed by some of the comments on this thread and cant see the relevance of this subject to this forum to be honest.
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Old 19th Apr 2022, 10:08
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I don't post much, but I am dismayed by some of the comments on this thread and cant see the relevance of this subject to this forum to be honest.
I am pleased at some of the comments on this thread and welcome them as it’s all too easy to say nothing, scared that you’ll be called (wrongly) a racist/xenophobe.
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SWB - it's all very well listing a number of crimes committed by immigrants (illegal or not) but that doesn't present a balanced view of how many more (and equally awful) crimes are committed everyday by UK nationals of all colours and creeds.

Are there muslims calling 999 just so they can throw rocks at emergency services - is it immigrants abusing NHS staff on a daily basis? Just look at the Met police force for violent crimes.

A bit of balance rather than emotive DM journalism wouldn't go amiss - far more of our own countrymen are scumbags and scrotes than the number of immigrants. Yes, a minority of them will be bad apples/criminals but should we deny the majority a fresh start?
A "balanced view"? Traditional English/Scottish/Welsh/Irish surnames do not appear anything like the number of times almost unpronounceable names are reported in serious crime matters, or are you suggesting that crimes by our own "scumbags and scrotes" as you call them go unreported?
Perhaps a total review of our soft justice system is long overdue starting with the reintroduction of capital punishment for murder, terrorism and treason. Serious crime was headline news for days on end in the 50's and 60's; now it appears to be an everyday event barely reported.

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I don't post much, but I am dismayed by some of the comments on this thread and cant see the relevance of this subject to this forum to be honest.
I agree plans. This thread sits firmly in JB having been hijacked by casual racists and NIMBYs. I’m hoping none of them are currently serving.
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