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Old 17th Apr 2022, 06:33
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There is a very disappointing level of xenophobic rhetoric on this thread plus a dose of NIMBYism - is it because most of the refugees are not white or Christian?

I suspect that the attitude would be very different if it was Ukrainians being housed there.

Yes, I know single males mostly stayed to fight but that was because they had an organised military unlike those fleeing from Syria, Afghanistan, Ethiopia etc.

If your choices were to stay at home and die from starvation or thirst or be randomly tortured and shot - wouldn't you risk everything to get away to a safe country, including using what money you could beg steal or borrow to pay people traffickers to get you there?

Perhaps a little empathy would go a long way when formulating immigration policies - something Thickie Patel clearly doesn't have.
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Old 17th Apr 2022, 07:36
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Perhaps people would have more empathy with the illegal migrants if they stayed in one of the many safe countries they pass through, before illegal entry into the UK.
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Old 17th Apr 2022, 07:55
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Perhaps people would have more empathy with the illegal migrants if they stayed in one of the many safe countries they pass through, before illegal entry into the UK.
Indeed........now, what would possibly attract them to this country having passed through other countries offering safety? As for NIMBYism............give it a rest! If I thought the home I'd worked hard to acquire was going to nosedive in value, you bet your boots I'd be gutted! I wonder how many on here have had direct "dealings" (in this country) with some of these "guests"? I still think it's a valuable asset about to be squandered!
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Old 17th Apr 2022, 07:57
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Sorry "crab" my distaste is reinforced by the sight of very obviously economic refugees jumping off boats clutching a phone in one hand a cigarette in the other.
I have seen real refugees and they are nothing like the ones coming ashore at Dover!
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Old 17th Apr 2022, 08:02
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".These"refugees" went on a thieving and plundering spree quite openly of the surrounding towns.Local police couldn't cope!Eventually they were all shipped of to America.I feel sorry for those living next to Linton!!"

So the Americans were quite happy to accept convicted thieves from the UK? Not since 1776 I think you'll find. Most Hungarians worked very hard, but they moved from the sticks to the big cities as fast as they could. Same with Ugandan Asians. Not much opportunity in places like Linton on Ouse really.

In fact most refugees are willing to work a lot harder than most Brits - that's why you find them in poorly paid jobs and ones like agriculture, that you couldn't get your average Brit to come within a mile of
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Old 17th Apr 2022, 08:26
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In fact most refugees are willing to work a lot harder than most Brits - that's why you find them in poorly paid jobs and ones like agriculture, that you couldn't get your average Brit to come within a mile of

Absolutely agree Asturias........there are many who could put the "cream" of the U.K's youf to shame.........but I haven't seen many Somalians picking broccoli. Not sure why you mentioned Hungarians.......you could have included Poles, Ukrainians, and the Windrush generation to name but a few. All came in search of a better life and the vast majority were successful.........they were my neighbours and I grew up and went to school with them. The Eastern Europeans were the most inventive people I have ever come across. There's no comparison.
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Old 17th Apr 2022, 14:25
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Perhaps too many Daily Mail, Express and Torygraph readers here for actual empathy....

Glad it was different when the Kinder transport happened during WW2 and when we also welcomed every race and colour to fight for us.

Just what is wrong with an economic migrant? People have been coming here legally to improve their lot from around the world for years and no-one labels them as 'economic migrants' as if it is a dirty word.

The legal routes are congested and very limited due to politicians advancing the immigration issue as a vote-winner and producing failed policy after failed policy to try and do something about it.

This myth that they all want to scrounge on the dole is just that - look to our British yoof for that ingrained attitude - most incomers want to work.

Someone wrote to a national paper recently saying that if you just paid the cost of a boat or plane ticket for everyone that wanted to come to UK, it would be cheaper than Priti's policy and put the people traffickers out of work overnight.
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Old 17th Apr 2022, 14:39
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Agreed broadly. The Legal route is difficult, and the Illegal route is almost uncontrollable.

The little Island of Jersey has a remarkably mixed population [via legal means]. From c. 110,00 population, we have c.10% Portuguese/Madeiran and c. 5% Polish ... enough of both to support their own shops and cafes. Seamlessly integrated, and both contributing to the economy and daily life.
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Old 17th Apr 2022, 21:29
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The little Island of Jersey has a remarkably mixed population [via legal means]. From c. 110,00 population, we have c.10% Portuguese/Madeiran and c. 5% Polish ... enough of both to support their own shops and cafes. Seamlessly integrated, and both contributing to the economy and daily life.
Laudable as that is, where are the brown people? The UK is supposed to be a multi-ethnic multi-cultural society but it seems from some of the posts here (not yours MPN11) that it really is about skin colour.

White refugees = good people and welcome

Brown refugees = scrotes and terrorists so send them away.
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Old 17th Apr 2022, 22:42
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but it seems from some of the posts here (not yours MPN11) that it really is about skin colour.

I doubt that very much.
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Old 17th Apr 2022, 23:25
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Laudable as that is, where are the brown people?
That statement automatically marks you out as racist!
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Old 18th Apr 2022, 06:12
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That statement automatically marks you out as racist!
Do please explain your logic there - that is a typical internet riposte, 'you said brown people so you must be racist', really????
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Old 18th Apr 2022, 06:14
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I doubt that very much.
Then what is it that makes people rail at Syrian or Afghan or Ethiopian refugees but welcome Ukrainian refugees with open arms?
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Old 18th Apr 2022, 07:13
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"but I haven't seen many Somalians picking broccoli. Not sure why you mentioned Hungarians."

The previous poster claimed he remembers Hungarian refugees being deported to the USA because they stole

I remember a family of Hungarian refugees in my state school - the older one became head boy, and took a double first in Maths at Cambridge (when such things were rare) - but perhaps he stole it
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Old 18th Apr 2022, 07:42
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Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
Do please explain your logic there - that is a typical internet riposte, 'you said brown people so you must be racist', really????
He’s right. Calling someone ‘brown’ is considered a racist term. Don’t ask me why, it just is. I’d stop using it immediately if I were you.
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Old 18th Apr 2022, 09:09
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I'll try a non-racist local input. We here also have a fair number of 'seasonal workers' in the Hospitality industry ... who tend to be either from the Caribbean or Africa.


BTW, I went to boarding school in Jamaica, so I like to think I have no issues with race ... only with people's behaviour, whatever their colour.
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Old 18th Apr 2022, 09:19
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I like to think I have no issues with race ... only with people's behaviour, whatever their colour.
Spot on MPN11
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Old 18th Apr 2022, 09:27
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My understanding is that it's a question of integration, where some ethnic groups make a real and solid attempt, whilst others do the exact opposite.
In the main, Chinese and Indians for example, seem to thrive in their host countries !

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Old 18th Apr 2022, 09:29
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Tricky to integrate when you are locked up behind fences
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Old 18th Apr 2022, 09:44
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A general comment on immigration crab !
But you knew that.

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