Chinese Y20s in Europe
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Chinese Y20s in Europe
Just had a look at ADSB this morning and it appears that three Chinese air force Y20 transports are headed east having taken off from Beograd. Would anyone like to speculate about the reason(s) for this rather unusual event. Surely nothing to do with events in Ukraine?
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Thanks for the info ORAC, nice picture too.
Can't help but feel a like it's a backward step for Europe though. I had been hoping that the cold war was well and truly over.
Can't help but feel a like it's a backward step for Europe though. I had been hoping that the cold war was well and truly over.
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Originally Posted by ORAC
Not 3, but 6. And yes, it was a delivery of 3 x FK3 rocket systems plus CH95 drones.
I was thinking the same thing but then I took a closer look at the engines. They look like the IL-76 engines which probably means the the Y-20 doesn't have the dame STOL capability as the C-17. I remember reading a while ago that the Chinese have never been able to effectively recreate Western aero engines because they don't have the required manufacturing technology.
It currently uses the Soloviev D-30K engines that also power the Il-76, an engine type that goes back to 1963.... there are plans to re-engine with the WS-20 turbofan engine that is being developed in China. The WS-20 is a derivative of the WS-10, which has been derived from the core of the CFM56II.
Originally Posted by 134brat
Can't help but feel a like it's a backward step for Europe though.
Originally Posted by 134brat
Just had a look at ADSB this morning and it appears that three Chinese air force Y20 transports are headed east having taken off from Beograd. Would anyone like to speculate about the reason(s) for this rather unusual event. Surely nothing to do with events in Ukraine?
Originally Posted by admikar
Why? Serbia is buying what they think it's best for them. Same as any other country.
Last edited by beardy; 12th Apr 2022 at 09:25.
Originally Posted by beardy
Serbia buying them, really? Do you honestly think that that they will remain in Serbia when their big ally next door has greater need. If think not. This is China helping Russia through the Serbian back door. Russia's debts are building now. There are a lot of countries that rely on the Russian military and weaponry that are going to be sorely embarrassed by any Russian retrenchment or failure, the Chinese are sitting, waiting, ready to exploit places like Serbia, Iran, Syria, Mali, Venezuela etc..
How big are they?
(From Balkan Insight)
Air Serbia has continued flying to Russia. Serbia is one of the few European countries not to stop flying to Russia or close its air space to Russian planes as part of sanctions related to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.
Missiles not so much, all the vehicles are different story. Serbia does not have any capabilities to transport launchers. No civilian plane can transport it and AFAIK no Russian plane can come to Serbia. And you really think Serbia would risk it's future aspirations of joining EU to send a dozen of missiles to Russia?
If we even consider that China wants to sell FK3 to Russia, if you look at the map, it would be a lot easier for them to deliver it to Irkutsk via air/roads then to go this route. Not to mention that everyone knows that Serbia bought it and got it delivered and NATO does have it's office in Belgrade.
So, still waiting on explanation how these systems will get delivered to Russia?
And let's not forget that Serbia is negotiating to buy 12 Rafales from France. If anything, to me it seems Serbia is slowly distancing itself from Russia.
If we even consider that China wants to sell FK3 to Russia, if you look at the map, it would be a lot easier for them to deliver it to Irkutsk via air/roads then to go this route. Not to mention that everyone knows that Serbia bought it and got it delivered and NATO does have it's office in Belgrade.
So, still waiting on explanation how these systems will get delivered to Russia?
And let's not forget that Serbia is negotiating to buy 12 Rafales from France. If anything, to me it seems Serbia is slowly distancing itself from Russia.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
They staged through Russia, they could have just delivered them there.
There would be no point in using a round about route - as soon as they lit up and went active everyone would know where they came from.
Conspiracy theories.
The problem is Serbia itself and a new war over Kosovo.
https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2...bian-offensive
There would be no point in using a round about route - as soon as they lit up and went active everyone would know where they came from.
Conspiracy theories.
The problem is Serbia itself and a new war over Kosovo.
https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2...bian-offensive
Originally Posted by ORAC
They staged through Russia, they could have just delivered them there.
There would be no point in using a round about route - as soon as they lit up and went active everyone would know where they came from.
Conspiracy theories.
The problem is Serbia itself and a new war over Kosovo.
https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2...bian-offensive
There would be no point in using a round about route - as soon as they lit up and went active everyone would know where they came from.
Conspiracy theories.
The problem is Serbia itself and a new war over Kosovo.
https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2...bian-offensive
Originally Posted by beardy
Iran and others supplying weapons to Russia
Integrating Kosovo into Serbia would be a useful result of supporting Russia.
Integrating Kosovo into Serbia would be a useful result of supporting Russia.
Originally Posted by admikar
Yeah, agree on that, but I don't think Serbia will ever get Kosovo back, short of very unlikely power redistribution and I am still waiting on your explanation of how FK3 systems will be transported to Russia?
