Skyguard System for Royal Artillery
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Sky Sabre System for Royal Artillery
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about time - something with a bit more range would be nice but still - genuine step forward
Still its good to see the Rapier replacement arriving around the planned OSD. Only potential downside I can see is it ain't exactly helicopter portable as it is split over three MAN wheeled vehicles, at least two of which the basic unladen versions are beyond the capacity of even a CH-53.
PS. Can the title be changed? Skyguard was the radar responsible for Nick Taylor and Bob Iveson both being shot down over Goose Green.
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Impressive
I see India is receiving their S400's as well
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe..._to_india.html
“Sky Sabre is so accurate and agile that it is capable of hitting a tennis ball sized object travelling at the speed of sound. In fact, it can control the flight of 24 missiles simultaneously whilst in flight, guiding them to intercept 24 separate targets. It is an amazing capability.”
I see India is receiving their S400's as well
The S-400 is a Russian-made air defense missile system by Almaz-Antey as an upgrade of the S-300 family of air defense missile systems. The S-400 enters in service with the Russian armed forces in 2007. The launcher vehicle of the S-400 battery has four missile containers; each container could house one 48N6E or four 9M96 surface-to-air missiles.
The missile S-400 also nicknamed Triumph is designed to engage, ECM, radar-picket, director area, reconnaissance, strategic and tactical aircraft, tactical and theatre ballistic missiles, medium-range ballistic missiles and other current and future air attack assets at a maximum range of 400 km, and an altitude of up to 30 km. The S-400 Triumph can also destroy Tomahawk cruise missiles and other types of missiles, including precision-guided ones, as well as AWACS aircraft, at ranges of up to 400 km. It can also detect stealth aircraft and other targets at all altitudes of their combat employment and at maximum ranges. This air defense missile system can simultaneously engage 36 targets.
The missile S-400 also nicknamed Triumph is designed to engage, ECM, radar-picket, director area, reconnaissance, strategic and tactical aircraft, tactical and theatre ballistic missiles, medium-range ballistic missiles and other current and future air attack assets at a maximum range of 400 km, and an altitude of up to 30 km. The S-400 Triumph can also destroy Tomahawk cruise missiles and other types of missiles, including precision-guided ones, as well as AWACS aircraft, at ranges of up to 400 km. It can also detect stealth aircraft and other targets at all altitudes of their combat employment and at maximum ranges. This air defense missile system can simultaneously engage 36 targets.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe..._to_india.html
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Sky Sabre is so accurate and agile that it is capable of hitting a tennis ball sized object travelling at the speed of sound. In fact, it can control the flight of 24 missiles simultaneously whilst in flight, guiding them to intercept 24 separate targets. It is an amazing capability.”
Does this mean that it will replace Hawkeye at Wimbledon? 🙂
Does this mean that it will replace Hawkeye at Wimbledon? 🙂
Still its good to see the Rapier replacement arriving around the planned OSD. Only potential downside I can see is it ain't exactly helicopter portable as it is split over three MAN wheeled vehicles, at least two of which the basic unladen versions are beyond the capacity of even a CH-53..
.I understand the Sky Sabre uses CAMM but the Italians are going with (the fatter 190mm v 166mm and longer 4.2m v 3.2m ) CAMM-ER, which has 60%+ greater range, for their army and air force equivalents.
Still its good to see the Rapier replacement arriving around the planned OSD. Only potential downside I can see is it ain't exactly helicopter portable as it is split over three MAN wheeled vehicles, at least two of which the basic unladen versions are beyond the capacity of even a CH-53.
PS. Can the title be changed? Skyguard was the radar responsible for Nick Taylor and Bob Iveson both being shot down over Goose Green.
Still its good to see the Rapier replacement arriving around the planned OSD. Only potential downside I can see is it ain't exactly helicopter portable as it is split over three MAN wheeled vehicles, at least two of which the basic unladen versions are beyond the capacity of even a CH-53.
PS. Can the title be changed? Skyguard was the radar responsible for Nick Taylor and Bob Iveson both being shot down over Goose Green.
But beyond that, we’ll probably not use it much in that role but for PD of specific locations like Falklands or Cyprus. It’s still too short range to be really effective though - you need something you can detect and engage before an enemy platform gets inside firing range.
The Giraffe radar needs to be moved by charter Antonov - we don’t have anything big enough.
The current Italian system is supposed to be C130 compatible (remember those?), my understanding (which may be wrong) is they are just changing the missile, and I presume upgrading software etc.
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"Air portable UK speak", take off wheels, stick on skid pallet, remove cab, remove radar base, disassemble radar system, stick on pallets, put in aircraft and reassemble over several days at the other end ..
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I remember Rapier courses being given to Iranian students at a certain Army School in Berkshire, just prior to them all being recalled when the Shah was deposed. That must have been 1978, so for a complex MoD weapon system to be in continuous service for well over 40 years must be some kind of achievement.
I remember Rapier courses being given to Iranian students at a certain Army School in Berkshire, just prior to them all being recalled when the Shah was deposed. That must have been 1978, so for a complex MoD weapon system to be in continuous service for well over 40 years must be some kind of achievement.
The course to which you refer was more likely in Wiltshire.
Rapier was not that complex a system.
40 years is not that long (cf AIM9 Sidewinder 1956-ish to present). Also although the missile didn't change much over the years (impact to proximity fuzing being the main change) the detection radar and tracking and guidance systems changed massively over that time. One could almost say that name remained in service for well over 40 years.
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NutLoose: Air portable speak UK style - Buy something designed to be air portable (Like say No 1ACC), place in Southern UK near suitable airhead. Lossie Radar goes long term u/s, send for 1 ACC. No C-130s available, no Argosies, no Belfasts, no nothing - it is after all middle of summer and long weekend/start of summer holidays coming up and Support Command already on holiday. So great idea by movements control - send by road. Convoy of about 32 vehicles assembled including about a dozen Queen Mary's (long low loaders designed to move a/c - SLOWLY) leaves sometime in midweek and arrives at southern end of A9 at Perth (when the A9 is a single carriageway winding road through the hills), on a lovely, hot, sunny Sunday morning and sets off at best speed for Lossiemouth.. By the time the convoy has travelled about half way, the traffic jam behind stretches through Perth and on down towards Edinburgh. I was one of those joining at the back early PM. I finally arrived at Lossie at 0200 the following mornng.
It took over a week to re-assemble the radar, and much longer to get it working! Even longer to placate local councils and holidaymakers!
Ever since then Air Portable has had a different meaning for me.
It took over a week to re-assemble the radar, and much longer to get it working! Even longer to placate local councils and holidaymakers!
Ever since then Air Portable has had a different meaning for me.
NutLoose: Air portable speak UK style - Buy something designed to be air portable (Like say No 1ACC), place in Southern UK near suitable airhead. Lossie Radar goes long term u/s, send for 1 ACC. No C-130s available, no Argosies, no Belfasts, no nothing - it is after all middle of summer and long weekend/start of summer holidays coming up and Support Command already on holiday. So great idea by movements control - send by road. Convoy of about 32 vehicles assembled including about a dozen Queen Mary's (long low loaders designed to move a/c - SLOWLY) leaves sometime in midweek and arrives at southern end of A9 at Perth (when the A9 is a single carriageway winding road through the hills), on a lovely, hot, sunny Sunday morning and sets off at best speed for Lossiemouth.. By the time the convoy has travelled about half way, the traffic jam behind stretches through Perth and on down towards Edinburgh. I was one of those joining at the back early PM. I finally arrived at Lossie at 0200 the following mornng.
It took over a week to re-assemble the radar, and much longer to get it working! Even longer to placate local councils and holidaymakers!
Ever since then Air Portable has had a different meaning for me.
It took over a week to re-assemble the radar, and much longer to get it working! Even longer to placate local councils and holidaymakers!
Ever since then Air Portable has had a different meaning for me.
Below the Glidepath - not correcting
...It looks like the School of Electronic Engineering (Hazebrouck Barracks) is now a housing estate. Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.
