Captain Dale “Snort” Snodgrass USN (Ret)
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Captain Dale “Snort” Snodgrass USN (Ret)
This kind of sucks, Mr Tomcat himself has passed away.
https://www.avweb.com/aviation-news/...daho-accident/
Eternal Father, strong to save,
Whose arm hath bound the restless wave,
Who bidd’st the mighty ocean deep
It’s own appointed limits keep
Oh hear us when we cry to Thee
For those in peril on the sea.
Lord, guard and guide the men who fly
Through the great spaces of the sky.
Be with them always in the air,
In darkening storms or sunlight fair
Oh hear us when we lift our prayer
For those in peril in the air.
https://www.avweb.com/aviation-news/...daho-accident/
Eternal Father, strong to save,
Whose arm hath bound the restless wave,
Who bidd’st the mighty ocean deep
It’s own appointed limits keep
Oh hear us when we cry to Thee
For those in peril on the sea.
Lord, guard and guide the men who fly
Through the great spaces of the sky.
Be with them always in the air,
In darkening storms or sunlight fair
Oh hear us when we lift our prayer
For those in peril in the air.
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Have seen a theory that his seat may have slid back or collapsed. Whatever the cause, what a great shame.
This aircraft for sale listing matches the registration of the the crash aircraft, includes pictures offset and seat rails.
https://www.aircraft.com/aircraft/19...chetti-sm1019b
mjb
https://www.aircraft.com/aircraft/19...chetti-sm1019b
mjb
Typical Cessna seat rails, a number have crashed because the pilot has not ensured the retaining pin has dropped into the hole on the rail, result is on acceleration or pitching up is the seat slides to the rear with the resultant loss of control. Cessna introduced an AD for their models.
https://www.federalregister.gov/docu...82-185-188-190
https://www.federalregister.gov/docu...82-185-188-190
This aircraft for sale listing matches the registration of the the crash aircraft, includes pictures offset and seat rails.
https://www.aircraft.com/aircraft/19...chetti-sm1019b
mjb
https://www.aircraft.com/aircraft/19...chetti-sm1019b
mjb
Typical Cessna seat rails, a number have crashed because the pilot has not ensured the retaining pin has dropped into the hole on the rail, result is on acceleration or pitching up is the seat slides to the rear with the resultant loss of control. Cessna introduced an AD for their models.
https://www.federalregister.gov/docu...82-185-188-190
https://www.federalregister.gov/docu...82-185-188-190
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I think it’s often the seat recline pin not engaged too - on rotation the pilot ends up lying flat on their back.
Who on the YouTube video says "check .. . check" ... ?!
As a flying instructor it is hard to comprehend that he would not instinctively checked for 'full and free' movement of the controls or that the seat pins were in place by rocking on the seat.
A sad day for sure.
I've studied the video of the accident many times and although the quality is poor due to the camera and distance away, it does appear as though the pilot's head disappears from view in the later seconds of the video.
Who on the YouTube video says "check .. . check" ... ?!
As a flying instructor it is hard to comprehend that he would not instinctively checked for 'full and free' movement of the controls or that the seat pins were in place by rocking on the seat.
A sad day for sure.
Who on the YouTube video says "check .. . check" ... ?!
As a flying instructor it is hard to comprehend that he would not instinctively checked for 'full and free' movement of the controls or that the seat pins were in place by rocking on the seat.
A sad day for sure.
IIrc, the eventual deal was an 18 year statute of repose, so Cessna would no longer be liable beyond that period for any such deficiencies.
That said, it is an insidious defect, more than a little comparable to any of the 'Fate is the Hunter' examples.
Who actually rocks back and forth to check if the seat is properly secured?
If memory serves, this particular seat latch defect caused so much legal woe to Cessna that is almost bankrupted them.
IIrc, the eventual deal was an 18 year statute of repose, so Cessna would no longer be liable beyond that period for any such deficiencies.
That said, it is an insidious defect, more than a little comparable to any of the 'Fate is the Hunter' examples.
Who actually rocks back and forth to check if the seat is properly secured?
IIrc, the eventual deal was an 18 year statute of repose, so Cessna would no longer be liable beyond that period for any such deficiencies.
That said, it is an insidious defect, more than a little comparable to any of the 'Fate is the Hunter' examples.
Who actually rocks back and forth to check if the seat is properly secured?
I've slid backwards on rotation in a Cessna - fortunately maintained control though
I was sure I had checked but it was evidently not good enough.
Don't fly Cessna's very often but very anal on this would you believe!
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Control lock engaged. Apparently with the control lock engaged it allows just enough rudder movement to taxi the aircraft (combined with differential braking) but no elevator/aileron movement.
story with viewer and link to NTSB report
https://www.avweb.com/flight-safety/accidents-ntsb/ntsb-cites-failure-to-remove-control-lock-in-snodgrass-crash/
story with viewer and link to NTSB report
https://www.avweb.com/flight-safety/accidents-ntsb/ntsb-cites-failure-to-remove-control-lock-in-snodgrass-crash/
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