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RAF Fast Jets To Practice Dispersal Off MOBs

Old 28th Jul 2021, 12:34
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
He obviously does not read what’s happening in the world, I wish him luck.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ucks-move.html


Plus on top of that the Government insist on building all those overhead concrete monstrosities for smart motorways etc, why they never legislated that cars must be able to transmit it to the drivers by xyz.. so you will be trying to land through overhead cables and overhead gantries… the Jag only had to struggle to find a straight bit of road without a bridge over it.

What you need is a fighter that has rough field capability like the Jag or the Harrier, both of which we binned, I’d hate to think how an F35 will standup to sitting in a lay-by.


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It seems to me that the obvious answer to the trucking problem would be to go back to using the railways, with trucks only used for local trans-mode shipping. That would leave the motorways free of overheard charging wires to allow fighters to land!
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Old 28th Jul 2021, 12:58
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It seems to me that the obvious answer to the trucking problem would be to go back to using the railways, with trucks only used for local trans-mode shipping. That would leave the motorways free of overheard charging wires to allow fighters to land!
Coming to a motorway near you, sooner than you might think....

Costain to lead “electric road” trial for HGV charging
https://www.constructionenquirer.com...-hgv-charging/

Costain is getting government funding for a feasibility study into “electric roads” for battery-powered heavy goods vehicles.

The contractor will consider trials of an ‘Electric Road System’ on a 20-kilometre stretch of road near Scunthorpe.
Electric Road Systems supply battery-electric trucks with electricity from overhead catenaries like those on the rail network enabling HGVs to charge dynamically as they drive. Costain will get the funding cash as part of a £20m drive by the government to encourage HGV operators to convert to battery-electric vehicles.



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Old 28th Jul 2021, 13:51
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Electric road vehicles? I know, let's call them trams!
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Old 28th Jul 2021, 14:04
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617 Sqn has already practiced 'austere dispersed ops' back in June when it landed and operated from Pantelleria and refuelled on the ground from an Italian AF KC-130J.

All this talk of using military bases and protection against multi warheaded ICBM's rather ignores what CAS actually SAID in his statement! Dispersed operations to protect against a possible hypersonic/supersonic cruise missile threat by no notice dispersal exercises to CIVIL airfields.



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Old 29th Jul 2021, 17:40
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“Let's say for the sake of argument there's a large build up of troops on the border of a friendly country where UK PLC might wish to intervene.”

Like Ukraine
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Old 29th Jul 2021, 18:25
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Originally Posted by ve3id View Post
It seems to me that the obvious answer to the trucking problem would be to go back to using the railways, with trucks only used for local trans-mode shipping. That would leave the motorways free of overheard charging wires to allow fighters to land!

we’ll have enough of that, putting forward a far too sensible solution is not on…


You just watch, the system they will choose will be set at such a height the trucks that use it will not be able to access cities due to the tram systems cables being to low
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Old 29th Jul 2021, 18:38
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Originally Posted by pba_target View Post
A lot of people on this thread are assuming that a "full shooting war" is what this is about. I'd argue there's as much validity for dispersal in "grey zone" conflict. Let's say for the sake of argument there's a large build up of troops on the border of a friendly country where UK PLC might wish to intervene. The same day all the lights go out at your military airfields/the fuel gets mysteriously contaninated - you won't be able to pin it on anyone but it'll definitely be the little green men with designs on preventing your interference/overt support for the friendly country, whilst also undermining your credibility.

The ability to disperse your forces won't necessarily prevent such a sub-threshold event but may make the task more challenging and retain you a credible deterrent in that grey zone.
One of the worries in Germany was those friendly to the cause would introduce the likes of LSD to the station water supply resulting in a station full of armed bods high as kites and the dangers that entailed, let alone the station becoming none effective.
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Old 29th Jul 2021, 21:02
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And once somebody starts it using nucleur, won't all the rest, good, bad and ugly, have to jump-in, knowing that if they don't use it they possibly will loose it by retaliatory and possible misguided strike/settling separate third party scores ? In those circumstances launch conditions and targetting will have to be pre-determined, with virtually no fail-safe, because they're won't be the time or prevailing conditions to allow definitive determination of who the actual culprits are ? So there may be a lot of smacking of the wrong bottoms.
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Old 30th Jul 2021, 01:31
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I have been thinking with the advent of EMALS, you could setup an unsinkable carrier. I worked at a minesite in australia. I used to always think how easy it would be hide a "carrier" there.

It has large areas of tarmac, probably would need reinforcement for aircraft, you could use emal for launching and recovering aircraft, the large power requirement wouldn't be an issue because minesites already have high voltage power lines. Theres major shed that could store dozens of aircraft, large fuel tanks that store diesel cant imagine it would be much effort to convert them to a aviation fuel. They have storage for explosive which you can keep the bombs/munitions. Heaps of accomadation for the 'crew'

The emals would have to be fixed in the ground, they would be detectable by sat recon if you were looking for them, but they would be easy to hide. Just put a donga over them and when you need to use the emal just fork lift them off
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I have been thinking with the advent of EMALS, you could setup an unsinkable carrier..........
Going to need a big back up generator for the EMALS. Otherwise, take out one pylon and it's all redundant
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Old 29th Nov 2021, 13:43
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Highlands, not Highways - Exercise AGILE PIRATE

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This realistically means dispersal at civvy (and probably ex RAF) airfields. You lot are getting hung up on roads, which isn't likely.

Think Stornoway, West Fruegh, Finningley, that kind of place.
Well downsizer was bang on, perhaps unsurprisingly the 'new concept' is to be trialled at Stornoway. I assume they've asked La Sturgeon for her permission to use her (government's) airfield?.

'The RAF have chosen to use Stornoway as a location due to its relative remoteness, which in turn has forced the deploying elements to consider Air transportable options; this removes the easy solutions that simply deploying from known main operating bases provide.'

https://www.raf.mod.uk/news/articles/raf-to-deploy-to-remote-islands-in-outer-hebrides/
RAF aircraft and personnel will deploy to Stornoway in the Outer Hebrides this week, in a major exercise to develop the future Agile Combat Employment concept.

Agile Combat Employment is a new concept, which aims to enable the RAF to operate from a greater number of locations, to provide increased flexibility and resilience. It is being developed and implemented using a series of exercises over the next 3 years.
"The next few days will test our ability with the minimum footprint of people and kit to receive, debrief, re-arm, refuel and rebrief a Combat Air capability. In short bursts of activity, we will use an A400M to bring in kit and also directly refuel our in-situ fuel bowser to support the Typhoon – an activity delivered by 1 Expeditionary Logistics Squadron from RAF Wittering. At the same time, 6 Squadron engineers will service and simulate re-arming the aircraft while the crews take advantage of our deployed comms capability to debrief and rebrief prior to re-launching. All of this under the watchful eye of a deployed team from 34 Squadron RAF Regiment and other security specialists providing an enclave protection and counter-intruder capability."

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Old 29th Nov 2021, 13:50
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Which all makes one wonder what shape the wheel will be when they reinvent it next time?
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Old 29th Nov 2021, 17:12
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Well downsizer was bang on, perhaps unsurprisingly the 'new concept' is to be trialled at Stornoway. I assume they've asked La Sturgeon for her permission to use her (government's) airfield?.




https://www.raf.mod.uk/news/articles/raf-to-deploy-to-remote-islands-in-outer-hebrides/
The last time I was at Stornoway we were there to defuel the BFI. Some idiot had torn up the pipework between the jetty and the pumphouse before checking if the tanks were empty so we had to build a temporary one to the jetty near Holm.

The main thing I remember about that place is that everything seemed to be closed on Sundays.
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Old 30th Nov 2021, 13:26
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Ahem…



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Old 30th Nov 2021, 14:40
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Two runways here for the price of one. https://goo.gl/maps/iXFx7kQiQoCGDj3k7
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Or use one of the museum airfields with external static aircraft to add some extra cover.
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