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Carbon Footprint - Air Force One ?

Old 10th Jun 2021, 23:12
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Carbon Footprint - Air Force One ?

As I understand it, Newquay Airport, Cornwall ( RAF St Mawgan as was) has a runway just over 9,000 ft long (2,740 metres). If all of that was usable for landing, why didn't President Biden's Air Force One land there after crossing the Pond to drop him off for the G7 talks, rather than going to the other side of the UK to Mildenhall and then flying him back west again in a chopper?
Since the talks will discuss climate change and man's affects on it, the phrase, ' practice what you preach' springs to mind. If security at NQY was an issue they could have either then flown the aircraft empty on to Brize or Mildenhall after that.
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Old 10th Jun 2021, 23:27
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From an environmental point of view, if it had been just the sole 747, it wouldn’t be so bad…
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Old 10th Jun 2021, 23:51
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Originally Posted by Check Airman View Post
From an environmental point of view, if it had been just the sole 747, it wouldn’t be so bad…
From what I understand both AF1 and a C-32A with it both flew Andrews AFB- Mildenhall-Newquay.

Around 7 C-17 visits to Newquay as well, with a pair more to RNAS Culdrose with VH-3Ds on board, plus another pair to Northolt, again with a VH-3D on each.

Other C-17s to Geneva and Brussels as well.
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Oh come on, you should know by now that the carbon emissions from heads of state and other politicians - as well as famous celebrities - don't contribute to climate change. It's only the stuff we peons emit that causes global warming and climate change.

As a well known pundit has said, "I'll start treating climate change as a problem when the people telling me it's a problem start acting like it's a problem."
Until then...
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Originally Posted by Jetset 88 View Post
As I understand it, Newquay Airport, Cornwall ( RAF St Mawgan as was) has a runway just over 9,000 ft long (2,740 metres). If all of that was usable for landing, why didn't President Biden's Air Force One land there after crossing the Pond to drop him off for the G7 talks, rather than going to the other side of the UK to Mildenhall and then flying him back west again in a chopper?
Biden was not flown from Mildenhall to Newquay in a helo. He took VC-25A (B742) 82-8000 as AF1 and one of the 757s, C-32A 09-0016 SAM 46 went from Mildenhall to Newquay as a backup.

And another C-32A (B-752) 09-0017 SAM 18 is parked at RAF Brize Norton. This is the 'third plane' that no one talks about.

Also, E-4B (B-742) 74-0787 GRIMM 99 is parked at RAF Mildenhall right now.

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Old 11th Jun 2021, 07:10
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From an environmental point of view, if it had been just the sole 747, it wouldn’t be so bad…
A Zoom call would have been better .......and I imagine would be fun watching them struggle with mute buttons....and even more amusing - no muting at times!
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Possibly a fuel issue, I would bet St Mawgen no longer has the facility to upload the amounts required for everyone, so visit Mildenhall, maybe pick up the off person, shake a few hands and upload some juice first.
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Old 11th Jun 2021, 11:24
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Possibly a fuel issue, I would bet St Mawgen no longer has the facility to upload the amounts required for everyone, so visit Mildenhall, maybe pick up the off person, shake a few hands and upload some juice first.
Isn't Newquay Airport, St Mawgan that was, on the pipeline? In happier times operates a fair few flights per week and as St Mawgan it would have needed supplies for the Mighty Hunters and the contra-rotators that preceeded them.
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Old 11th Jun 2021, 12:07
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Originally Posted by Jetset 88 View Post
As I understand it, Newquay Airport, Cornwall ( RAF St Mawgan as was) has a runway just over 9,000 ft long (2,740 metres). If all of that was usable for landing, why didn't President Biden's Air Force One land there after crossing the Pond to drop him off for the G7 talks, rather than going to the other side of the UK to Mildenhall and then flying him back west again in a chopper?
Since the talks will discuss climate change and man's affects on it, the phrase, ' practice what you preach' springs to mind. If security at NQY was an issue they could have either then flown the aircraft empty on to Brize or Mildenhall after that.
He chose to visit USAF personnel based in the UK, and Mildenhall was best for that. It’s a good thing for the commander in chief to visit his military people and they seemed to welcome the visit. From there, he flew in AF1 to Newquay. It was nothing to do with fuel or security.
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Old 11th Jun 2021, 12:10
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The reality is the President of the United States requires security, communications, and logistical support anytime he ventures away from the White House.

You are concerned about carbon foot print....talk to China and get back to us with your criticism of the United States.

I suppose the British Prime Minister rides Tourist down back....and rides in Taxi's while conducting his official travel....right?
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