Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Aircrew Forums > Military Aviation
Reload this Page >

Belgian F-16 Fleet Grounded - Engine Problems

Wikiposts
Search
Military Aviation A forum for the professionals who fly military hardware. Also for the backroom boys and girls who support the flying and maintain the equipment, and without whom nothing would ever leave the ground. All armies, navies and air forces of the world equally welcome here.

Belgian F-16 Fleet Grounded - Engine Problems

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 10th Mar 2021, 17:56
  #1 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Nevada, USA
Posts: 1,609
Received 43 Likes on 30 Posts
Belgian F-16 Fleet Grounded - Engine Problems

Netherlands covering QRA for them.

Belgium’s Hard-Worked F-16 Fighter Jet Fleet Has Just Been Grounded (thedrive.com)


RAFEngO74to09 is offline  
Old 11th Mar 2021, 10:37
  #2 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Welwyn Garden City
Age: 63
Posts: 1,854
Received 77 Likes on 43 Posts
I was just about to post another link, as far as I'm aware, the KLU hasn't got a lot of F-16 operational, about three squadrons covering every considered form of tactical role. I don't want to sound like a typical jingo type, but doesn't this expose the fair-weather attitude of western democracies (US excepted) to any serious defence considerations? There'll be those who'll say thank god for the EU and others who'll, more rightly say in my opinion, thank god for NATO. But which ever way you slice the cake, this should not happen, Belgium, albeit a small country with allies surrounding it, has been left without a single air defence, ground attack, strike or reconnaissance fighter!

FB
Finningley Boy is offline  
Old 11th Mar 2021, 11:09
  #3 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: liverpool uk
Age: 67
Posts: 1,338
Received 16 Likes on 5 Posts
Originally Posted by Finningley Boy
I was just about to post another link, as far as I'm aware, the KLU hasn't got a lot of F-16 operational, about three squadrons covering every considered form of tactical role. I don't want to sound like a typical jingo type, but doesn't this expose the fair-weather attitude of western democracies (US excepted) to any serious defence considerations? There'll be those who'll say thank god for the EU and others who'll, more rightly say in my opinion, thank god for NATO. But which ever way you slice the cake, this should not happen, Belgium, albeit a small country with allies surrounding it, has been left without a single air defence, ground attack, strike or reconnaissance fighter!

FB
Weew the Belgian's and Dutch not doing turn and turn about for their air defence, covering each otyher?
air pig is offline  
Old 11th Mar 2021, 11:59
  #4 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: 59°45'36N 10°27'59E
Posts: 1,032
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Apparently the failure was in a part that the Norwegian F-16 fleet did a fleet wide modification on in 2008, according to www.tu.no
M609 is offline  
Old 11th Mar 2021, 12:26
  #5 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Welwyn Garden City
Age: 63
Posts: 1,854
Received 77 Likes on 43 Posts
Originally Posted by air pig
Weew the Belgian's and Dutch not doing turn and turn about for their air defence, covering each otyher?
It will be interesting to see if anyone tries to make a play for the EU, supposedly denied, agenda for an integrated single command structure Euro Armed Forces, often referred to in lay terms as the Euro Army.

FB
Finningley Boy is offline  
Old 11th Mar 2021, 12:45
  #6 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Norfolk
Posts: 1,057
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
For me it highlights the issue of reliance on a single type for the role. Lose 1 due to a fleet wide tech issue - lose them all...................

Arc
Arclite01 is offline  
Old 11th Mar 2021, 18:01
  #7 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Welwyn Garden City
Age: 63
Posts: 1,854
Received 77 Likes on 43 Posts
Originally Posted by Arclite01
For me it highlights the issue of reliance on a single type for the role. Lose 1 due to a fleet wide tech issue - lose them all...................

Arc
Precisely Arclite01, precisely!

FB
Finningley Boy is offline  
Old 11th Mar 2021, 23:53
  #8 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: florida
Age: 81
Posts: 1,610
Received 55 Likes on 16 Posts
Salute!

It may not be reliance on the plane but the engine. Even then, some batches do not have defective blades or control units, but maybe wear and tear on the nozzles and other components.

No matter how many tests and simulations and models, once a plane or engine gets to the field we always find some glitches. Most are minor, very, very few are major.

The first F-35 loss here at Eglin was the engine blades not correctly seated in the surrounding shroud of the new motor, and that sucker is a beast. So the concept was for the rotating blades to make their own grooves. Well, no problems with a few dozen engines during test, but then we have a few hundred! Guess what? So improved engine inspections and such have resulted in no more engine failures of that type.

.. Gums sends...

gums is offline  
Old 12th Mar 2021, 01:32
  #9 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: N/A
Posts: 5,952
Received 398 Likes on 210 Posts
For me it highlights the issue of reliance on a single type for the role. Lose 1 due to a fleet wide tech issue - lose them all
There was a practice in some commercial operations to have dual types in the fleet for that precise reason. Seemed to work OK in WWII though, common engine in Spitfire, Hurricane, Lancaster, Mustang, Mosquito, Halifax, albeit different marks.
megan is offline  
Old 12th Mar 2021, 05:13
  #10 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Welwyn Garden City
Age: 63
Posts: 1,854
Received 77 Likes on 43 Posts
Originally Posted by gums
Salute!

It may not be reliance on the plane but the engine. Even then, some batches do not have defective blades or control units, but maybe wear and tear on the nozzles and other components.

No matter how many tests and simulations and models, once a plane or engine gets to the field we always find some glitches. Most are minor, very, very few are major.

The first F-35 loss here at Eglin was the engine blades not correctly seated in the surrounding shroud of the new motor, and that sucker is a beast. So the concept was for the rotating blades to make their own grooves. Well, no problems with a few dozen engines during test, but then we have a few hundred! Guess what? So improved engine inspections and such have resulted in no more engine failures of that type.

.. Gums sends...
Gums,

The RAF had this very problem with the Armstrong Siddley Sapphire engines in the Gloster Javelin back in the 1960s. A sudden drop in temperature when flying through heavy cumulus, the cold caused the engine casing to shrink with the sharp drop in degrees to the extent that it came into contact with the compressor blades with inevitable results. They called it centre-line closure. The remedy, a typical British economic approach, and it worked! They coated the blade tips with an abrasive, this naturally sanded down a groove into the casing when a sudden drop in pressure/temperature was encountered.

FB
Finningley Boy is offline  
Old 12th Mar 2021, 12:16
  #11 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Next to Ross and Demelza
Age: 53
Posts: 1,235
Received 52 Likes on 21 Posts
The problem is, what can you do if you can only afford to operate one type of aircraft?
Martin the Martian is offline  
Old 12th Mar 2021, 13:51
  #12 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: east ESSEX
Posts: 4,673
Received 70 Likes on 45 Posts
So ,i guess the BBMF are ready in case of `Typhoon problems...!
sycamore is online now  
Old 19th Mar 2021, 20:58
  #13 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: same planet as yours
Posts: 552
Received 7 Likes on 6 Posts
Problem fixed https://www.aviation24.be/military-a...ational-again/
DIBO is online now  
Old 19th Mar 2021, 21:27
  #14 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Beyond the M25
Posts: 523
Received 49 Likes on 25 Posts
Originally Posted by sycamore
So ,i guess the BBMF are ready in case of `Typhoon problems...!
Them, or the F-35s.
Mil-26Man is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.