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Somewhat off-track with this request but, having a couple of family friends serving with 2 Squadron at Williamtown, they and I would all like to know why the RAF E-7s are going to be known as Wedgetails in service? Since the RAAF chose the name originally to reference the Wedge-Tail Eagle, native to Australia only, we avian pedants are a little bit intrigued!
Thanks in advance, Ned
Thanks in advance, Ned
Steamer Ned,
Perhaps because it has a name already?
Not sure why it being named after an Australian thing precludes it, after all the RAF did name its first jet bomber Canberra after the aussie capital.
Perhaps because it has a name already?
Not sure why it being named after an Australian thing precludes it, after all the RAF did name its first jet bomber Canberra after the aussie capital.
"The move to Lossiemouth is possibly to give Westmonster a bit of leverage when Wee Jimmy Crankie calls for IndyRef again. Go for it and we'll move Wedgetail to Waddington and take the jobs away from Northern Scotland."
If Krankie gets her way it's a choice of losing big bucks as above or dealing with a second SBA on her manor. What percentage of the Wedgetail/Poseidon fleet could she claim was Scottish? This would be like the Ukraine claiming the Tu160's but not having the money or expertise to operate them.
If Krankie gets her way it's a choice of losing big bucks as above or dealing with a second SBA on her manor. What percentage of the Wedgetail/Poseidon fleet could she claim was Scottish? This would be like the Ukraine claiming the Tu160's but not having the money or expertise to operate them.
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Somewhat off-track with this request but, having a couple of family friends serving with 2 Squadron at Williamtown, they and I would all like to know why the RAF E-7s are going to be known as Wedgetails in service? Since the RAAF chose the name originally to reference the Wedge-Tail Eagle, native to Australia only, we avian pedants are a little bit intrigued!
Thanks in advance, Ned
Thanks in advance, Ned
I'm sure that TG12 and TG12 Officers will love the delights that Elgin has to offer... Downtoen, Joannas, Natural Spice...
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"The move to Lossiemouth is possibly to give Westmonster a bit of leverage when Wee Jimmy Crankie calls for IndyRef again. Go for it and we'll move Wedgetail to Waddington and take the jobs away from Northern Scotland."
If Krankie gets her way it's a choice of losing big bucks as above or dealing with a second SBA on her manor. What percentage of the Wedgetail/Poseidon fleet could she claim was Scottish? This would be like the Ukraine claiming the Tu160's but not having the money or expertise to operate them.
If Krankie gets her way it's a choice of losing big bucks as above or dealing with a second SBA on her manor. What percentage of the Wedgetail/Poseidon fleet could she claim was Scottish? This would be like the Ukraine claiming the Tu160's but not having the money or expertise to operate them.
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The Canberra was named as such largely because we were trying to persuade Australia to buy them for the RAAF. Never underestimate a bit of flattery.
TG12 is no longer. Now all in TG7. Officers have been Air Ops Branch for some time.
Anyway, all change again in the New Year when the new “Astra Professions” are finalised. Rumour is that the “Aircrew Profession” replaces the Flying Branch and Non-Commissioned Aircrew (the latter have been Airman Aircrew and the 1946 Aircrew Scheme in the past too). I’d guess that Air Ops will remain the same, with maybe a bit of ‘space’ thrown into their profession title - Air & Space Ops? There are supposed to be 10x Professions, so it is still anyone’s guess what they will be, but how they are split is still to be decided and announced.
Sorry for the thread drift.
Anyway, all change again in the New Year when the new “Astra Professions” are finalised. Rumour is that the “Aircrew Profession” replaces the Flying Branch and Non-Commissioned Aircrew (the latter have been Airman Aircrew and the 1946 Aircrew Scheme in the past too). I’d guess that Air Ops will remain the same, with maybe a bit of ‘space’ thrown into their profession title - Air & Space Ops? There are supposed to be 10x Professions, so it is still anyone’s guess what they will be, but how they are split is still to be decided and announced.
Sorry for the thread drift.
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TG12 is no longer. Now all in TG7. Officers have been Air Ops Branch for some time.
Anyway, all change again in the New Year when the new “Astra Professions” are finalised. Rumour is that the “Aircrew Profession” replaces the Flying Branch and Non-Commissioned Aircrew (the latter have been Airman Aircrew and the 1946 Aircrew Scheme in the past too). I’d guess that Air Ops will remain the same, with maybe a bit of ‘space’ thrown into their profession title - Air & Space Ops? There are supposed to be 10x Professions, so it is still anyone’s guess what they will be, but how they are split is still to be decided and announced.
Sorry for the thread drift.
Anyway, all change again in the New Year when the new “Astra Professions” are finalised. Rumour is that the “Aircrew Profession” replaces the Flying Branch and Non-Commissioned Aircrew (the latter have been Airman Aircrew and the 1946 Aircrew Scheme in the past too). I’d guess that Air Ops will remain the same, with maybe a bit of ‘space’ thrown into their profession title - Air & Space Ops? There are supposed to be 10x Professions, so it is still anyone’s guess what they will be, but how they are split is still to be decided and announced.
Sorry for the thread drift.
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Willard Whyte - which certificate will you be trading in? You do know that the word is French for a patent, diploma or certificate:
MASCULINE NOUN
1. (also: brevet d’invention) patent
2. (= certificat) diploma ⧫ certificate
brevet
[bʀəvɛ]MASCULINE NOUN
1. (also: brevet d’invention) patent
2. (= certificat) diploma ⧫ certificate
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Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Maybe we should have called it AirPeaceEagleEyeTail - a bit of everything (Turkey, South Korea, Australia). As absurd as AIRSEEKER.
https://www.raf.mod.uk/aircraft/airs...w-rivet-joint/
can be referred to as a brevet
Turn to page 103. Here is a quick snippet:
The first point that needs to be made is that flying badges are not ‘brevets’. From the mid 19th Century the British Army used the term brevet, to indicate accelerated, but unpaid, promotion in recognition of particularly notable service (as in a captain becoming a brevet major). A ’brevet’ – French for a certificate – was actually the document authorising such an advance. Its use in the context of aviation arose as a result of a number of early British aviators learning to fly at French schools where they gained the certificate – the -‘brevet’ – of the Aero Club de la France.
It became common practice to refer to the equivalent Royal Aero Club Certificate, which all British pilots (including, until mid 1916, all military pilots) were required to obtain, as a brevet. Later, this was evidently (mis)understood by some non-Francophone pilots to refer to a flying badge and they have been getting it wrong ever since. Although ‘brevet’ has long been current within the crew room argot, it has never featured in authoritative documents which, until very recently (page 124 and 126) have always reflected the correct nomenclature, eg King’s and/or Queen’s Regulations, Air Ministry Orders and Defence Council Instructions.
It became common practice to refer to the equivalent Royal Aero Club Certificate, which all British pilots (including, until mid 1916, all military pilots) were required to obtain, as a brevet. Later, this was evidently (mis)understood by some non-Francophone pilots to refer to a flying badge and they have been getting it wrong ever since. Although ‘brevet’ has long been current within the crew room argot, it has never featured in authoritative documents which, until very recently (page 124 and 126) have always reflected the correct nomenclature, eg King’s and/or Queen’s Regulations, Air Ministry Orders and Defence Council Instructions.
Airseeker is the name of the acquisition project - the name of the Aircraft remains Rivet Joint.....
https://www.raf.mod.uk/aircraft/airs...w-rivet-joint/
https://www.raf.mod.uk/aircraft/airs...w-rivet-joint/
Still can't fathom why it takes two threads to discuss the basing of the UK's Boeing '737 Airborne Early Warning and Control System'. I expect the operators will come up with an amusing nickname. I am sure the Caledonian 'avian pedants' would prefer 'Whitetail' as it's a local eagle species.
No, no, no, that is incorrect. Under QR206 and QRJ727 it has always been a flying badge (and every previous version of KRs and QRs). The King’s and Queen’ Orders have always called them flying badges. Only those in error ever called them ‘brevets’. Have a read of Wg Cdr ‘Jeff’ Jefford’s excellent book and it explains all - a cut down version is here: https://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/documen...Journal-52.pdf
Turn to page 103. Here is a quick snippet:
Now the error that had crept into AP1358 Ch 7 by incorrectly referring to the WSO and WSOp Flying Badge as a “Rear Crew Brevet” was also corrected by Her Majesty the Queen in Sep 19, when a new Royal Order correctly termed it the WSO and WSOp Flying Badge - RAF IBN 16/20 was released on 7 Apr 20 that also ensured the correct term ‘flying badge’ is used. Also, the awful and incorrect term ‘Rear Crew’ was dropped (some of whom had sat in front of Pilots in the Canberra and side-by-side in a number of aircraft cockpits) and the new term of ‘Mission Aircrew’ is now used. Finally, AP1358 Ch 7 was updated and any erroneous reference to ‘Rear Crew’ or ‘Brevet’ has now been removed from the AP.
Turn to page 103. Here is a quick snippet:
Now the error that had crept into AP1358 Ch 7 by incorrectly referring to the WSO and WSOp Flying Badge as a “Rear Crew Brevet” was also corrected by Her Majesty the Queen in Sep 19, when a new Royal Order correctly termed it the WSO and WSOp Flying Badge - RAF IBN 16/20 was released on 7 Apr 20 that also ensured the correct term ‘flying badge’ is used. Also, the awful and incorrect term ‘Rear Crew’ was dropped (some of whom had sat in front of Pilots in the Canberra and side-by-side in a number of aircraft cockpits) and the new term of ‘Mission Aircrew’ is now used. Finally, AP1358 Ch 7 was updated and any erroneous reference to ‘Rear Crew’ or ‘Brevet’ has now been removed from the AP.
One has to ask "does it really matter"?
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Originally Posted by reds & greens
Christ, I hope I never get stood next to you in the corner at a party...
Originally Posted by Asturias56
One has to ask "does it really matter"?
When PPRuNe becomes an official 'AP' I might start caring.
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Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
That has already happened in April 2020. TG9 and TG12 were merged to become TG7 and renamed Air and Space Operations.