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Old 18th Nov 2020, 13:39
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Bayraktar operates at low-medium level at a cruise speed of 70 knots, even if you're not flying in contested airspace which would be suicidal at slow speeds with modern AA/SAM's, this would be a challenging target.

Another UAV might work but then you've got to integrate with the big picture to take out multiple threats, using something like the Peregrine or smaller, anything larger is a sledgehammer to crack a nut.
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Originally Posted by Momoe
Bayraktar operates at low-medium level at a cruise speed of 70 knots, even if you're not flying in contested airspace which would be suicidal at slow speeds with modern AA/SAM's, this would be a challenging target.

Another UAV might work but then you've got to integrate with the big picture to take out multiple threats, using something like the Peregrine or smaller, anything larger is a sledgehammer to crack a nut.
You've hit on the key issue, these UAVs are really cheap, they can be deployed in large numbers.
Current air defense systems use sophisticated and consequently expensive missiles to shoot down even more expensive aircraft. They are at best wasted on cheap drones, even if there are enough of them.
Imho, the combination of cheap sensors, pretty decent image recognition software and reasonably capable autonomously operating air, land and sea vehicles is transformative for warfare.
The Turks proved that just recently in Nagorno Karabakh, the USAF had it demonstrated to them in DARPA exercises and the US Navy was shown it in a war game twenty years ago, well before the USS Cole.
We don't call the military 'slow learners', we call them 'obstinate learners'. I think it will take an experience such as the Dutch had in Taiwan back in the early 1600s, when they were totally defeated by the Chinese, before they become receptive to the modern day realities.
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Old 19th Nov 2020, 15:05
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they're a few million dollars a pop - using any modern air asset against them is a terrible waste of cash - simple man-pads, AA cannon seem the most cost effective ways of dealing with them
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
they're a few million dollars a pop - using any modern air asset against them is a terrible waste of cash - simple man-pads, AA cannon seem the most cost effective ways of dealing with them
Sounds good, but I'm not confident current day man-pads are even capable of acquiring a drone, nor that current day AA cannon would work against small (less than Heron size) drones.
Guess that means there is a business opportunity....
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Old 19th Nov 2020, 23:45
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Off-topic but continuing the discussion above.

The US Army is considering lasers mounted on armored vehicles for counter drone defense. There are 2 x different power variants undergoing more testing in 2021. 2 Cavalry Regiment already have a number of early Stryker mounted vehicles:


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Old 22nd Nov 2020, 12:47
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Building a model as we speak. Anything that needed strakes on the horizontal stabiliser looks dodgy to me and it needed rocket assisted take offs!
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Old 22nd Nov 2020, 20:10
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Originally Posted by RAFEngO74to09
Off-topic but continuing the discussion above.

The US Army is considering lasers mounted on armored vehicles for counter drone defense. There are 2 x different power variants undergoing more testing in 2021. 2 Cavalry Regiment already have a number of early Stryker mounted vehicles:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ohfif5AB97M
That actually makes a lot of sense. A powerful laser will reliably damage the sensors of a drone, even if it fails to destroy the vehicle. Blinding the drone is as effective as a hard kill in most instances.
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Old 24th Nov 2020, 15:33
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Sprat to catch a mackerel scenario.

If your drone is blinded by a laser, then it stands to reason that said laser is probably protecting assets in the vicinity. Lasers need a finite amount of time to lock on and damage sensors, sufficient for a fire and forget weapon to make this a no win situation.
A few more (cheap) drones to bait and/or get intel and the threat from your anti-drone laser force is nullified.
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Originally Posted by Momoe
Sprat to catch a mackerel scenario.

If your drone is blinded by a laser, then it stands to reason that said laser is probably protecting assets in the vicinity. Lasers need a finite amount of time to lock on and damage sensors, sufficient for a fire and forget weapon to make this a no win situation.
A few more (cheap) drones to bait and/or get intel and the threat from your anti-drone laser force is nullified.
Cannot speak to the power levels needed or the lock on times, but even a 'fire and forget' weapon is reliant on sensors that are readily dazzled by a good burst of laser light.
Of course, quantity has a quality all its own, so a few dozen decoy drones will be the next step, just as you suggest.
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20/30mm cannon linked to lazer should sort it...
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Harrier GR9 for sure. But...
Vulcan if we could raise enough cash!

I did have a soft spot for Buccaneers and Lightnings though.
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