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Old 21st Oct 2020, 12:52
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Surely that would have to be a Station Com-per-der?
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Old 21st Oct 2020, 15:23
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On the hair front, I arrived at Cranwell with my customary No 1 which was more like No 0.5 due to a enthusiastic barber. I was happy but my course commander wasn't and I got a medium strength b0ll0cking for "looking like a thug". Some days .....
 
Old 21st Oct 2020, 18:58
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As a permanent MoD civvy, serving cheek by jowl on two dozen RAF stations and four Headquarters, I am sure that my dress, deportment and behaviour were greatly influenced, as much by airmen and airwomen as by officers.
Ten years ago I took my granddaughter to RAF Coningsby, by appointment, to visit and see the station. She planned to study Geography and now has a good 2:1 and a very good job.
"Wow!" she said, looking around her at well-groomed, well-dressed and well-disciplined passers by, and at the well-kept vehicles, buildings and roads. Unfortunately she has health problems that made the RAF a no-no. But she was very impressed indeed and still has regrets.

Would she feel the same if she visited today? Judging by the above, I fear not. Does it matter? Yes indeed, to this dinosaur.
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Old 21st Oct 2020, 21:31
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I served for 12 years,joined as AC, left as a Corporal Rigger[joined Nov 71,18 in Feb 72,demob Feb 84] why the f*** are they changing it.IF IT AINT BROKEN,DO NOT FIX IT
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Old 21st Oct 2020, 23:20
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RIAT , the other year.. popped by the RNethAF Apache Display team and their mount. Selling t shirts, patches key rings et al...one of the crew chiefs black gent had earrings and slight overgrown Afro. Think one of the other male ground crew may have had longer hair then normal and possibly hint of pony tail.

Anyhow the new ummm suggested regulations could be useful re SF .....

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Old 22nd Oct 2020, 11:40
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Sir Humphrey's view. Usual caveat about fixing bl0gspot in the URL, or just search on the title.

https://thinpinstripedline.********.com /2020/10/what-is-male-equivalent-culture.html

What Is the Male Equivalent? Culture, Standards and Why Long Hair is a Good Thing.
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Old 23rd Oct 2020, 10:34
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From "Civvies in Uniform" to just plain old "Civvies".
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Old 23rd Oct 2020, 11:15
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Originally Posted by anson harris View Post
From "Civvies in Uniform" to just plain old "Civvies".
I can assure you that I am not, nor are my colleagues, civvies in uniform.

Personally I donít have a beard but many of my colleagues do. Productivity and RISE have not deteriorated.

Iíll wait and see if having longer hair affects my or their performance but Iím suspecting not. Reverse Samson it certainly isnít.
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Old 31st Oct 2020, 17:21
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If diversity and inclusion is the agenda, then perhaps Autism Spectrum Disorder should be looked at again? Those with autism are a truly marginalised group within society, far more so than some dude with dreadlocks.

High functioning individuals diagnosed with ASD are a large potential talent pool for the RAF, particularly in technical trades and branches such as Intelligence and Cyber.

...and let's be honest, military aircrew are largely high functioning people. Who is to say that many aren't on the spectrum, themselves, but got through the bar to entry because they were not diagnosed?
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Old 31st Oct 2020, 19:40
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Yup, I was one of 'em; 22 years undetected as an airframe driver.
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Old 31st Oct 2020, 20:29
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Yup, I was one of 'em; 22 years undetected as an airframe driver.

See..... ^
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Old 31st Oct 2020, 20:41
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I've always put more store on what's inside someone's head against what's on it, but maybe that's just me.
 
Old 31st Oct 2020, 22:21
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BVRAAM - go to GCHQ. You’ll be amongst like minded people there!

I’m pretty sure that the enhanced medical, leadership exercises and interviews at OASC would likely identify those with ASD. Also, the CAA require some significant medical investigation to allow those folks to fly too - it’s not just a military thing: https://www.caa.co.uk/Aeromedical-Ex...rome-and-ADHD/

The US FAA are similar: https://www.faa.gov/other_visit/avia...dia/autism.pdf

This is the Doctors learned advice on ASD for flying:

The hallmarks of ASD include poor communication skills, as well as a lack of insight and poor judgment in decision making. Although those with the subtype of Asperger’s syndrome tend to function at the higher end of the autism spectrum intellectually, the tendency to be inflexible and to have the inability to make quick-thinking decisions in the face of an unexpected emergent situation could be disastrous in an aviation environment. Lack of insight into social cues and the loner mentality often exhibited by these individuals would also be a concern for airmen with this diagnosis. Cognitive skills may be exhibited unevenly, which could mean that although the airman may do well during the learning and student aspect of flight training, once left to interpret emergent situations alone, poor decisions regarding safety may occur.
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Old 31st Oct 2020, 22:47
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Originally Posted by The B Word View Post
BVRAAM - go to GCHQ. Youíll be amongst like minded people there!

Iím pretty sure that the enhanced medical, leadership exercises and interviews at OASC would likely identify those with ASD. Also, the CAA require some significant medical investigation to allow those folks to fly too - itís not just a military thing: https://www.caa.co.uk/Aeromedical-Ex...rome-and-ADHD/

The US FAA are similar: https://www.faa.gov/other_visit/avia...dia/autism.pdf

This is the Doctors learned advice on ASD for flying:
It is Autism Spectrum Disorder. It ranges in severity and those among the highest functioning, tend to not have a severe case, from what I know.

Obviously, the RAF's core mission is flying and fighting, and those who are not are supporting those that do as a part of one large team, engaged in one single fight.
However, that's kind of my point... there's more to the RAF than flying, so why not allow those who are high functioning to serve in roles where they would shine?
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Navy, Army have traditions the Air Force have habits and most of those are bad.
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Old 2nd Nov 2020, 13:03
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Navy, Army have traditions the Air Force have habits and most of those are bad.
It's the ROYAL Air Force and it's older than most of the current line infantry regiments!
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Old 2nd Nov 2020, 20:09
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Pains me to say it, but having served my last few light blue years on a tri-service unit...
Ďthe Royal Navy has traditions, the Army has customs, but the Royal Air Force only habitsí.
Now thereís a thought.....Habits. Very egalitarian...nowhere for badges of rank??
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and ................

once is a precedent, twice is a habit, three times is a custom of the service.
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Old 8th Nov 2020, 10:38
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So what's your view on the wearing of wigs and gowns in court?
I used to do it when it was compulsory, now however, and I was a part of the movement that campaigned for this, it is a rarity.

I thought it stupid then and I still do.
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Old 8th Nov 2020, 10:41
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Originally Posted by Finningley Boy View Post
Like I said pr00ne, I know I'm certainly a few years younger than you, but I feel perhaps more keenly that my time has come and passed. I'm mystified by all this talk of little metal robots everywhere and artificial intelligence. I suppose when you look at all that Corporal Marsh and his Nissen Huts, Blanco and Kiwi polish are a teeny bit anachronistic.

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So, you admit that you are living in the past? I find that quite sad. I have always been mystified by the expression "the good old days" as to me, the good old days are today, and tomorrow. Equally mystified by "back in my day," as, again, MY day is today.
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