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Judge Bans F-15s from Training in Idaho

Old 11th Oct 2020, 08:01
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Judge Bans F-15s from Training in Idaho

Surprised a local judge has that level of authority.....

U.S. Judge bans F-15E and F-15SG aircrews from urban training in Idaho ? Alert 5

U.S. Judge bans F-15E and F-15SG aircrews from urban training in Idaho

U.S. Magistrate Judge Candy Dale has ruled that the U.S. Air Force did not carry out a thorough environmental impact statement for training in nine urban centers in Idaho.

Those training flights involve the use of two to four F-15E and F-15SG aircrews plus plain-clothed soldiers on the ground to simulate urban combat, the Associated Press reports.

The judge agreed with seven Boise residents and an environmental group that filed the lawsuit that the service failed to comply with the National Environmental Policy Act when it approved those training flights.

Court documents show that those flights will take place between 10,000 to 18,000 ft.


There appears to be no quantitative assessment undertaken in the EA to assess the noise impact of overhead flights upon areas that experience background noise at levels much less than the assumed average,” Dale wrote.

She also said the Air Force didn’t address sleep interference the fights might cause, adequately back up its claim that the flights wouldn’t interfere with people trying to have a conversation, or support its conclusion that birds and wildlife would not be affected by the noise........
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Old 11th Oct 2020, 09:53
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
Surprised a local judge has that level of authority.....
Laws are there to be applied to protect people, often from themsleves, Judge saw the way that these were being disregarded and insisted that it be applied. Judgement can be appealed against in higher courts or those not adhering to the laws, can look at ways in which they can adapt behaviour to avoid falling foul of judges.

I think majority of people will be in agreement with that ruling. Otherwise you end up with Military stating we can do as we wish, the laws do not apply to us. How does that one work in other countrys around the globe ?. Badly for civilian populations I would suggest hence easier to be in compliance with reasoanble laws.
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Old 11th Oct 2020, 22:28
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In Australia training flights or display flights by military aircraft over major populated areas are pre advised to the communities via public advice through the media etc. No problems. We loved our F-111's flying over Brisbane at 200 feet down the city centre over the river followed by a "dump and burn" on climbing out. Multiple aircraft. Sadly the Pigs have gone and now it's Super Hornets/Growlers albeit without the fire show but plenty of noise. Army helicopters do training in and around our big cities often. To us its the sounds of freedom!
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Not a new tactic by the anti-military or NIMBY folks that have their freedom but do not appreciate what others have sacrificed for them. Go to courts versus elected U.S. congressional or state officials. The EPA environmental impact studies and such have not only slowed down basing of our new F-35, but have also resulted in reducing the planned number at a few places like where I live.

We have had areas all over the U.S. for decades that limit overflight or other activities by the USAF, USA , USMC, USN et al. Our low level training routes had many "no fly" circles and a small jog left or right was enuf to avoid complaints.

I feel the grunts moving thru the streets with M-4 guns and serious armor and such might disturb the "natives" more than the Eagles.

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Strangely this story reminds me of the British movie Conflict of Wings - now how many of you have seen that one?

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Originally Posted by TBM-Legend View Post
To us its the sounds of freedom!
Just spent a few days down the coast from Sydney and it's a never ending parade of low flying Navy, Army and Airforce airframes coming through at low level following the coastline. Some days you can almost set your clock to the daily Seahawk roaring past nice and low.
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