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Germany to buy F-18 Super Hornet And reduce Typhoon orders

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Germany to buy F-18 Super Hornet And reduce Typhoon orders

Due to replacement for the Tornado being delayed.

https://eurasiantimes.com/nato-commi...r-of-typhoons/
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Flug Revue reported this back in April.
https://www.flugrevue.de/militaer/vo...ghter-ersetzt/
(Hope your German is up to scratch)
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And the Flug Revue article begins with "As expected..."
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The next question is - will the Germans have to keep the F18 or another US aircraft for the nuclear role?
It is very unlikely (I think) that the French will allow enough details of the new aircraft to be shared with the US for it to adopt that role.

Next stupid question - as there are theatre missiles coming back into the situation, would it not be easier to create Pershing 3? I suppose the US would not sell aircraft then but they would be useful for the Pacific (answered my own question).
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
Due to replacement for the Tornado being delayed.

https://eurasiantimes.com/nato-commi...r-of-typhoons/
Just remembered it was mentioned on this thread

German Tornado replacement

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Just remembered it was mentioned on this thread

German Tornado replacement

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Just shows what fantastic value for money Tornado has been to the GAF.
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Scramble reporting that Germany ordered another 38 x Tranche 4 Typhoons on November 5 - for 5.4 Billion Euros. They will replace the oldest Tranche 1 aircraft within the current total fleet of 141 aircraft.

https://www.scramble.nl/military-new...nch-3-ef-2000s
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Got the freebie hat for sitting in the F-35A mock up at ILA 2018



At the time it looked promising because it was envisioned to carry the B-61 thus Germany carying on nuclear commitment to NATO,

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https://www.defensenews.com/global/e...ement-options/

New German government revisits Tornado replacement options
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Man trying to decide which is the worse procrastinator, germany or canada ?

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It is never to late to correct a wrong decision. Germany wanted to please the French by buying "outdated" F/A-18 for US special weapon delivery. This was intended to keep an urgent need for FCAS development alive. Now they realize that everybody else picked the F-35, the one that Luftwaffe already had dared to opt for before.
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Man trying to decide which is the worse procrastinator, germany or canada ?
India might be in the running as well, but no one can quite do it like the Canadians.
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Man trying to decide which is the worse procrastinator, germany or canada ?
Hm... Let me think... I think I'll have to re-read the thread from the beginning. I thought I saw a spelling mistake.
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https://www.defensenews.com/industry...buys-the-f-18/

Boeing pledges expanded German industry involvement if the nation buys the F-18
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https://www.defensenews.com/industry...buys-the-f-18/

Boeing pledges expanded German industry involvement if the nation buys the F-18
I am sure that Boeing and LM for that matter would offer just about anything in an attempt to further reduce the European defence sector. LM has been increasingly successful in doing that already.

Any US jet, especially F35 would impact the requirement for the Franco German Spanish FCAS programme, which is already in difficulties over workshare.
And a nuclear capable F18 would reduce the number of new Typhoon for Germany.

As I have mentioned before. All of this goes to demonstrate what fantastic value for money the Tornado has and is still to Germany. IDS, ECR and Nuclear capable in just one jet. Something that its replacement cannot do.

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It is massively outdated and the structural life expires. They tried long enough to just keep it going.
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It is massively outdated and the structural life expires. They tried long enough to just keep it going.
Maybe so. But that was not what I was talking about.

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As an air defender, can I ask why it would apparently take years to ‘qualify’ Typhoon to carry a nuke? In the past we slung nukes under many airframes without drama, what’s problem?
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Please bear in mind I’m not a Typhoon guy but I’ll do my best!

By your username I’m assuming you used to defend the air from the cockpit of a Lightning. Back in those days bombs etc were no more complex than a lump of metal to drop from the right piece of sky. Very little software was required and carriage trials would have been quite simple. We also did a lot of the work ourselves and didn’t have partner nations to worry about.

Nowadays jets are too clever for their own good and you can’t just strap on whatever you like without modifying the software. This is expensive and can involve the cooperation of multiple nations. It is especially complicated where nuclear secrets are involved.

I hope that makes sense. And I hope I’m not talking a load of rubbish.

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