RAF Valley: Unauthorised landing and take-off
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Something similar happened at Finningley on 29th Sep 1995 (albeit not as illegal as this!)
At 1655, OC Ops and Stn Cdr were having some friendly argy-bargy about who would be last to use the runway to depart to CWL as Finningley Closed for good (until Robin Hood Intl)
I can't remember who won, one NOTAM said the airfield closed (MATZ/ATZ) at 1700-PERM, but another said the Navaids (inc ILS) would be switched off at 2359-PERM.
So from 1701, several aircraft from Sandtoft (9nm North) all started to shoot the ILS on Rwy 20!! (Some overshot, some rolled (1995 phraseology))
At 1655, OC Ops and Stn Cdr were having some friendly argy-bargy about who would be last to use the runway to depart to CWL as Finningley Closed for good (until Robin Hood Intl)
I can't remember who won, one NOTAM said the airfield closed (MATZ/ATZ) at 1700-PERM, but another said the Navaids (inc ILS) would be switched off at 2359-PERM.
So from 1701, several aircraft from Sandtoft (9nm North) all started to shoot the ILS on Rwy 20!! (Some overshot, some rolled (1995 phraseology))
The Pilot stated that he had located the airfield on Google Earth and noted from Wikipedia that Anglesey Airport served civilian traffic
Yes he broke Welsh Coronavirus Regulations but not English ones so please leave that to one side. Are we arguing his landing justified reopening Tyburn or his refusal to stay overnight?
Yes an honest question, but I will put my helmet on in case
Originally posted by GeeRam:
"Looking at his flight track on FR24 back to Fairoaks, he took an interesting route back once departed Valley.....including an interesting 180 deg turn over Caernarfon town.......and then another 180 over the sea to track back over North Wales."
He was probably making those turns in order to check out his eyesight . . .
"Looking at his flight track on FR24 back to Fairoaks, he took an interesting route back once departed Valley.....including an interesting 180 deg turn over Caernarfon town.......and then another 180 over the sea to track back over North Wales."
He was probably making those turns in order to check out his eyesight . . .
So a pilot who may well be a US citizen with limited flying experience in the UK makes a mistake - looking at the website I do not think his claim is incredible. Can someone explain to a humble civilian why this is so serious? He made a mistake which should have led to him being informed of his error. Searches, police, book throwing.....it sounds just like the actions we hear of when British pilots fly into airfields in the old soviet block, India etc etc.
Yes he broke Welsh Coronavirus Regulations but not English ones so please leave that to one side. Are we arguing his landing justified reopening Tyburn or his refusal to stay overnight?
Yes an honest question, but I will put my helmet on in case
Yes he broke Welsh Coronavirus Regulations but not English ones so please leave that to one side. Are we arguing his landing justified reopening Tyburn or his refusal to stay overnight?
Yes an honest question, but I will put my helmet on in case
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Probably uses Google Maps for navigation...
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Regardless of what Wikipedia says, that’s not an official source.
Presumably he has done Air Law (US or UK, it doesn’t really matter). One should always reference the country’s AIP. Of course in the UK, most pilots rely on a delegated source like Pooleys, AFE, SkyDemon or even the airfield’s website. The source data is always in the AIP though. Definitely NOT Wikipedia!
champ
Presumably he has done Air Law (US or UK, it doesn’t really matter). One should always reference the country’s AIP. Of course in the UK, most pilots rely on a delegated source like Pooleys, AFE, SkyDemon or even the airfield’s website. The source data is always in the AIP though. Definitely NOT Wikipedia!
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So a pilot who may well be a US citizen with limited flying experience in the UK makes a mistake - looking at the website I do not think his claim is incredible. Can someone explain to a humble civilian why this is so serious? He made a mistake which should have led to him being informed of his error. Searches, police, book throwing.....it sounds just like the actions we hear of when British pilots fly into airfields in the old soviet block, India etc etc.
Yes he broke Welsh Coronavirus Regulations but not English ones so please leave that to one side. Are we arguing his landing justified reopening Tyburn or his refusal to stay overnight?
Yes an honest question, but I will put my helmet on in case
Yes he broke Welsh Coronavirus Regulations but not English ones so please leave that to one side. Are we arguing his landing justified reopening Tyburn or his refusal to stay overnight?
Yes an honest question, but I will put my helmet on in case
Do Fire crews have Airfield frequency radios,and what was the Atis at the time....?
I would hope that all personnel involved in this incident were suitably protected,and have since been tested,as it should not be taken at `face` value that` I`ve had the virus a couple of months ago,I`m ok`...he could still be a `carrier`....likewise ,his aircraft could be contaminated.
I would hope that all personnel involved in this incident were suitably protected,and have since been tested,as it should not be taken at `face` value that` I`ve had the virus a couple of months ago,I`m ok`...he could still be a `carrier`....likewise ,his aircraft could be contaminated.
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Some years ago I flew from one of the few totally grass RAF airfields, which was temporarily closed and ATC unmanned. A light aircraft appeared overhead, let down and landed, then taxied in and shut down. The pilot then tried to get into the locked ATC tower. OC Flying (wearing RAF uniform) walked out to talk to him. On being asked why he had landed at an RAF airfield without clearance, he said he was on his qualifying solo cross country flight. When asked where he thought he was, he gave the name of another airfield. OC Flying pointed out the ten foot high white lettering on the adjacent hangar which said "RAF *******". The pilot disagreed, as far as he was concerned this couldn't be an RAF airfield! He was asked what type of surface he expected to land on and he said tarmac. He never noticed it was all grass here.
He also demanded that OC Flying signed his logbook so he could get on his way. His flying club were soon contacted and asked to send a responsible adult to fetch him back!
He also demanded that OC Flying signed his logbook so he could get on his way. His flying club were soon contacted and asked to send a responsible adult to fetch him back!
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They should have fired off a red flare, as they missed the opportunity earlier, they could have fired it through the open door of his aircraft to satisfy protocol, satifaction all round and something for the fire section to practice on. 
That particular aircraft has been operating in the UK for several years, certainly long enough for the pilot to know the regulations here.
He should never be allowed near a cockpit alone again.
No ATIS as it was a Bank Holiday, entered a MATZ with out 2 way contact, landed at a military afd without permission and did not have permission to land there oh and was he covered insurance wise to land at a military afd oh and in a foreign registered aircraft.
If ATC is closed, as it was there are no red flares to fire, besides bet he'd ignore it anyway !
If ATC is closed, as it was there are no red flares to fire, besides bet he'd ignore it anyway !
I blocked in a Dove with the ATC Rover at a secret base in Norfolk years ago as he had refused to pay his parking fees, When I got out and locked it telling the pilot I'd be back the following day with a 50% increase in his fees he soon payed up !