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"Mog" Morgan talks Harriers, Sea Harriers and the Falklands

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"Mog" Morgan talks Harriers, Sea Harriers and the Falklands

Old 20th May 2020, 13:34
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My only experience of being overflown was by a CH53 on SPTA. He went right over my CH47 by about 50í when we were both at low level. I certainly knew all about it but Iíve had much worse in the mountains.
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Old 20th May 2020, 20:36
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Dan Winterland wrote:
Very different personalities. And I know which one I would prefer to have a beer with!
Well, I enjoyed several beers with Mog at Wildenrath in 1975 - and with Sharkey at Deci ACMI not long after the South Atlantic war. Both very brave and whatever people might think about Sharkey's behaviour in later years, don't forget that fighting the SHAR in that wretched part of the world was no picnic!
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Old 21st May 2020, 15:08
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Originally Posted by kintyred View Post
All three episodes were well worth listening to. And again, ĎHostile Skiesí is a great read.

Mog, Iím not so sure that it was your vortices that took the Puma out. I can well imagine that the pilot was pretty scared to see you homing in on him and at such low level may have simply struck the ground trying to evade. There was always much debate in helo crewrooms about the effect of jet wake but I donít recall there ever being a definitive answer. Have you ever heard anything by way of confirmation?
The pilot reported that he lost control of the aircraft after I passed overhead. He thought that he had had a tail rotor failure and tried to throw it onto the side of the hill. From my inspection of the wreckage, he most certainly did have a tail rotor failure - caused by the tail hitting the ground hard! There was a classic "barley twist' in the t/r drive shaft. I first saw this type of damage at the court martial of a Puma pilot at Odiham in the early 70s. (He got off).

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Old 21st May 2020, 19:22
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Originally Posted by Mogwi View Post
The pilot reported that he lost control of the aircraft after I passed overhead. He thought that he had had a tail rotor failure and tried to throw it onto the side of the hill. From my inspection of the wreckage, he most certainly did have a tail rotor failure - caused by the tail hitting the ground hard! There was a classic "barley twist' in the t/r drive shaft. I first saw this type of damage at the court martial of a Puma pilot at Odiham in the early 70s. (He got off).

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I can well understand his thoughts. Iíve no doubt your vortices would have made handling the aircraft quite tricky! Iíve always thought that tail rotors are dangerous things!
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Old 22nd May 2020, 04:36
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I had just turned 18 and was sat safely in college in Cheshire when the Falklands fighting was at its peak. I recall we were like giddy schoolgirls watching the preparations as the Task Force sailed south, none of us imagined for one second that we could have been there ourselves, we were just ďkidsĒ after all. When we heard that there were British servicemen who were younger than us who had been killed in the fighting it came as a real shock. The laughing stopped.

I remain forever grateful to Mogwi and all the others who served.
I second that.
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Old 22nd May 2020, 11:35
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For those of you who have watched part 3 and had a flickering BS caption, I should explain. I said that I entered the final engagement at 760 kts - what I meant was 670 kts. 760 would have been nice but 670 was still 60 kts above VNE!!

Blame the lockdown!

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Old 22nd May 2020, 13:24
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Originally Posted by Mogwi View Post
For those of you who have watched part 3 and had a flickering BS caption, I should explain. I said that I entered the final engagement at 760 kts - what I meant was 670 kts. 760 would have been nice but 670 was still 60 kts above VNE!!

Blame the lockdown!

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I still prefer your low fuel story - if only because I actually remember the BBC reporting it from the carrier back in Ď82.
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Old 22nd May 2020, 16:56
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Originally Posted by Mogwi View Post
For those of you who have watched part 3 and had a flickering BS caption, I should explain. I said that I entered the final engagement at 760 kts - what I meant was 670 kts. 760 would have been nice but 670 was still 60 kts above VNE!!

Blame the lockdown!

Mog
you must have been pretty much transonic. Were there any changes in handling characteristics that you noticed? (If you werenít too busy with other priorities!)
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Old 25th May 2020, 07:09
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Originally Posted by kintyred View Post
you must have been pretty much transonic. Were there any changes in handling characteristics that you noticed? (If you werenít too busy with other priorities!)
The SHAR seemed to handle pretty well at that speed. The big thing both Mog and I noticed was the vicious snap roll when we fired the AIM9L. As Mog mentioned, quite attention grabbing at that height and speed!
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Old 25th May 2020, 08:39
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Wasn’t there a stores separation speed limit on the Lima, my foggy memory recalls some type of altitude/speed envelope for firing ?
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