COVID and the Military
Incredible. Hard to believe they deal with this like that? "Betrayal"? Seriously?
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Interesting comment, so the ship should have stayed at sea for epidemiological rather than for military reasons? Breath-taking!
As to SECNAV's foulmouthed speech, I agree with him that there most certainly was betrayal here but not by Capt Crozier, who I would be honoured to have as a boss.
Maybe a little risk associated with keeping the ship staffed would also shed some light on the value-versus-hazard of shutting down the economy of a world threatened most by overpopulation.
As to SECNAV's foulmouthed speech, I agree with him that there most certainly was betrayal here but not by Capt Crozier, who I would be honoured to have as a boss.
Well, SecNav doubled down, disparaging Capt Crozier as stupid for not knowing his letter would be broadly distributed.
I would not disparage this courageous commander. If there was error, it was the false hope that the Navy’s highest leadership truly valued the the true source of its ability to defend our country, it’s sailors.
The truth hurts, and the pain can be temporarily relieved by denial. The American people are not blind. The SecNav and his superiors stand naked before the truth.
If the good Captain had cared more for his career than his subordinates, THAT would have been grounds for dismissal.
I would not disparage this courageous commander. If there was error, it was the false hope that the Navy’s highest leadership truly valued the the true source of its ability to defend our country, it’s sailors.
The truth hurts, and the pain can be temporarily relieved by denial. The American people are not blind. The SecNav and his superiors stand naked before the truth.
If the good Captain had cared more for his career than his subordinates, THAT would have been grounds for dismissal.
We saw the Navy response, only a few are infected and their situation is not serious. So obviously the plan was to deploy as normal, which would have ensured that everyone on board gets infected.
As most of the sailors are young, they would expect minimal casualties and no hard questions about the effectiveness of the force during this outbreak.
The Captain refused to go along with this and made sure everyone knew.
Good on him!
“A minor slap on the wrist”?
He will never be given another command. That isn’t done when one has been removed. His Navy career is over.
Don’t be naive, he is not new to being an officer and fully knows how to use the chain of command. When the chain of command is deaf and unresponsive, and sailors’ health and well-being are at stake, the courageous commander does whatever it takes, regardless the personal cost. Just as he did.
Now his elected commander-in-chief has defended the SecNav’s move. Interesting how the president supports a Navy SEAL convicted of murder, rather than a commander defending his sailors. No surprise really.
He will never be given another command. That isn’t done when one has been removed. His Navy career is over.
Don’t be naive, he is not new to being an officer and fully knows how to use the chain of command. When the chain of command is deaf and unresponsive, and sailors’ health and well-being are at stake, the courageous commander does whatever it takes, regardless the personal cost. Just as he did.
Now his elected commander-in-chief has defended the SecNav’s move. Interesting how the president supports a Navy SEAL convicted of murder, rather than a commander defending his sailors. No surprise really.
Are you sure you have your basic facts correct wrt this sailor?
So the captain got fired for sending an e-mail to 30 people that got leaked to the media.
SecNav spoke to 1500 people on the PA that got leaked to the media. What is he getting for it?
P.S. So he is out too. Well deserved this time.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/07/p...ump/index.html
SecNav spoke to 1500 people on the PA that got leaked to the media. What is he getting for it?
P.S. So he is out too. Well deserved this time.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/07/p...ump/index.html
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The French aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle, currently out in the Atlantic, has signalled that they have forty suspected coronavirus cases on board and is making a rapid return to its base at Toulon.
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Hope they are all ok, not were you want to be, out in the Atlantic, away from family, with a serious risk to your health.
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I nite with interest the comment that 4 of the USN carriers now have infections and are in port. How many does that leave at sea once those in maintenance are added?
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/h...ears-tff80cm5p
HMS Queen Elizabeth set to sail amid coronavirus fears
One of Britain’s two aircraft carriers is to set sail later this month despite fears that it could face a similar fate to French and American carriers, which had to be quarantined after hundreds of crew members were infected by Covid-19.
HMS Queen Elizabeth is set to depart from Portsmouth for a scheduled training cruise around the UK with a 600-strong crew.
So far four US nuclear carriers have had to pull into port after the virus infected their crews, and earlier this week the French carrier Charles de Gaulle was ordered home after crew were infected with Covid-19.
The former defence minister Kevan Jones said the HMS Queen Elizabeth should not sail without all of her 600 crew being tested for the virus. “The Royal Navy needs to justify why this cruise is essential at this time,” said Jones. “In light of other nations’ experiences, all the HMS Queen Elizabeth’s crew must be tested before she goes to sea.”
The shadow defence secretary, John Healey, added: “Large-scale training that can be delayed should be.”
The Royal Navy confirmed that its carrier would put to sea on April 27: “HMS Queen Elizabeth has a key role to play in the defence of the United Kingdom. We continue to conduct sensible and proportionate planning to ensure the welfare of our personnel is protected, while maintaining essential operational duties.”
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/h...ears-tff80cm5p
HMS Queen Elizabeth set to sail amid coronavirus fears
One of Britain’s two aircraft carriers is to set sail later this month despite fears that it could face a similar fate to French and American carriers, which had to be quarantined after hundreds of crew members were infected by Covid-19.
HMS Queen Elizabeth is set to depart from Portsmouth for a scheduled training cruise around the UK with a 600-strong crew.
So far four US nuclear carriers have had to pull into port after the virus infected their crews, and earlier this week the French carrier Charles de Gaulle was ordered home after crew were infected with Covid-19.
The former defence minister Kevan Jones said the HMS Queen Elizabeth should not sail without all of her 600 crew being tested for the virus. “The Royal Navy needs to justify why this cruise is essential at this time,” said Jones. “In light of other nations’ experiences, all the HMS Queen Elizabeth’s crew must be tested before she goes to sea.”
The shadow defence secretary, John Healey, added: “Large-scale training that can be delayed should be.”
The Royal Navy confirmed that its carrier would put to sea on April 27: “HMS Queen Elizabeth has a key role to play in the defence of the United Kingdom. We continue to conduct sensible and proportionate planning to ensure the welfare of our personnel is protected, while maintaining essential operational duties.”
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HMS Queen Elizabeth set to sail amid coronavirus fears
The former defence minister Kevan Jones said the HMS Queen Elizabeth should not sail without all of her 600 crew being tested for the virus. “The Royal Navy needs to justify why this cruise is essential at this time,” said Jones. “In light of other nations’ experiences, all the HMS Queen Elizabeth’s crew must be tested before she goes to sea.”
The former defence minister Kevan Jones said the HMS Queen Elizabeth should not sail without all of her 600 crew being tested for the virus. “The Royal Navy needs to justify why this cruise is essential at this time,” said Jones. “In light of other nations’ experiences, all the HMS Queen Elizabeth’s crew must be tested before she goes to sea.”
The UK has 50% of its carriers out. The US may be less
Don't worry, the EU is so locked down the Russians couldn't achieve freedom of movement with tanks.
Assumming they testing daily and 200 miles from land is a quarantine all by itself.