The F-35 thread, Mk II
Is it really necessary for me to suggest that simple common decency and honour would compel anyone but a troll and a coward to avoid taking a pop at a named individual from behind the cover of anonymity?
I'll get the popcorn. 
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They had to take it down. The comment section was full of drivelling nonsense scrawled out by people who were clearly mentally ill.
Last edited by LowObservable; 23rd May 2024 at 14:07.
JN - About right. What gets to be interesting in the outlook for the F-35 is the 2030s, when
- the 1000-some aircraft built to date are passing 15 years old
- the US wants to be able to cut off support for TR2 and has been focused on adding capabilities to TR3
- the TR3/Block 4 retrofit and the engine and cooling upgrade, all sole source, cost Cthulhu only knows what
- and don't forget the little ruh-roh aside in last month's JPO testimony
- the 1000-some aircraft built to date are passing 15 years old
- the US wants to be able to cut off support for TR2 and has been focused on adding capabilities to TR3
- the TR3/Block 4 retrofit and the engine and cooling upgrade, all sole source, cost Cthulhu only knows what
- and don't forget the little ruh-roh aside in last month's JPO testimony
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
40 years old…. I thought the EE Lightning was old when the fleet was retired 31 years after the first flight if the P1B…
https://www.defensenews.com/air/2024...remain-behind/
House defense bill would add more test F-35s as upgrades remain behind
The military would dedicate more Lockheed Martin-made F-35 Joint Strike Fighters to testing new technologies and capabilities under the House’s proposed fiscal 2025 National Defense Authorization Act.
An amendment proposed by Rep. Rob Wittman, R-Va., and adopted by a voice vote Wednesday would increase the number of developmental test F-35s in the works from six to at least nine, tweaking a provision that was passed as part of the FY24 NDAA.….
GAO also raised concerns about the F-35′s program’s testing capacity, which now has jets older than four decades that frequently break.
Four more F-35s are to receive modifications and become test jets by 2026, but GAO said testers would need to use workarounds and could not conduct all the external weapons tests some F-35s would need.
The proposed FY25 NDAA would cut the Pentagon’s planned F-35 purchase by 10, redirecting the roughly billion dollars in savings to expanding the jets’ testing capacity, including by buying more test aircraft…..
GAO also raised concerns in its report about the timetable for bringing on new developmental test F-35s.
The six jets that were already in the works would have been unprepared to conduct test flights until 2029 at the earliest. And the plans to retire existing test F-35s, GAO said, would have left the F-35 program with no test jets in 2028 and part of 2029.
https://www.defensenews.com/air/2024...remain-behind/
House defense bill would add more test F-35s as upgrades remain behind
The military would dedicate more Lockheed Martin-made F-35 Joint Strike Fighters to testing new technologies and capabilities under the House’s proposed fiscal 2025 National Defense Authorization Act.
An amendment proposed by Rep. Rob Wittman, R-Va., and adopted by a voice vote Wednesday would increase the number of developmental test F-35s in the works from six to at least nine, tweaking a provision that was passed as part of the FY24 NDAA.….
GAO also raised concerns about the F-35′s program’s testing capacity, which now has jets older than four decades that frequently break.
Four more F-35s are to receive modifications and become test jets by 2026, but GAO said testers would need to use workarounds and could not conduct all the external weapons tests some F-35s would need.
The proposed FY25 NDAA would cut the Pentagon’s planned F-35 purchase by 10, redirecting the roughly billion dollars in savings to expanding the jets’ testing capacity, including by buying more test aircraft…..
GAO also raised concerns in its report about the timetable for bringing on new developmental test F-35s.
The six jets that were already in the works would have been unprepared to conduct test flights until 2029 at the earliest. And the plans to retire existing test F-35s, GAO said, would have left the F-35 program with no test jets in 2028 and part of 2029.
40 years old…. I thought the EE Lightning was old when the fleet was retired 31 years after the first flight if the P1B…
https://www.defensenews.com/air/2024...remain-behind/
House defense bill would add more test F-35s as upgrades remain behind
The military would dedicate more Lockheed Martin-made F-35 Joint Strike Fighters to testing new technologies and capabilities under the House’s proposed fiscal 2025 National Defense Authorization Act.
An amendment proposed by Rep. Rob Wittman, R-Va., and adopted by a voice vote Wednesday would increase the number of developmental test F-35s in the works from six to at least nine, tweaking a provision that was passed as part of the FY24 NDAA.….
GAO also raised concerns about the F-35′s program’s testing capacity, which now has jets older than four decades that frequently break.
Four more F-35s are to receive modifications and become test jets by 2026, but GAO said testers would need to use workarounds and could not conduct all the external weapons tests some F-35s would need.
The proposed FY25 NDAA would cut the Pentagon’s planned F-35 purchase by 10, redirecting the roughly billion dollars in savings to expanding the jets’ testing capacity, including by buying more test aircraft…..
GAO also raised concerns in its report about the timetable for bringing on new developmental test F-35s.
The six jets that were already in the works would have been unprepared to conduct test flights until 2029 at the earliest. And the plans to retire existing test F-35s, GAO said, would have left the F-35 program with no test jets in 2028 and part of 2029.
https://www.defensenews.com/air/2024...remain-behind/
House defense bill would add more test F-35s as upgrades remain behind
The military would dedicate more Lockheed Martin-made F-35 Joint Strike Fighters to testing new technologies and capabilities under the House’s proposed fiscal 2025 National Defense Authorization Act.
An amendment proposed by Rep. Rob Wittman, R-Va., and adopted by a voice vote Wednesday would increase the number of developmental test F-35s in the works from six to at least nine, tweaking a provision that was passed as part of the FY24 NDAA.….
GAO also raised concerns about the F-35′s program’s testing capacity, which now has jets older than four decades that frequently break.
Four more F-35s are to receive modifications and become test jets by 2026, but GAO said testers would need to use workarounds and could not conduct all the external weapons tests some F-35s would need.
The proposed FY25 NDAA would cut the Pentagon’s planned F-35 purchase by 10, redirecting the roughly billion dollars in savings to expanding the jets’ testing capacity, including by buying more test aircraft…..
GAO also raised concerns in its report about the timetable for bringing on new developmental test F-35s.
The six jets that were already in the works would have been unprepared to conduct test flights until 2029 at the earliest. And the plans to retire existing test F-35s, GAO said, would have left the F-35 program with no test jets in 2028 and part of 2029.
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And having four test aircraft, each older than a decade, still doesn't add up to "jets older than four decades"...but a pretty sinister twist of words from the original source text, I admit,
JN, in defence of ORAC it was actually Stephen Losey (or a sub) who said four decades old, misquoting the the GAO report's mention of four test aircraft over ten years. (which may be what tdracer meant)
Since July, the Pentagon has refused to accept deliveries of the newest F-35s from Lockheed Martin over the TR-3 delays. An undisclosed number of those jets are stored at Lockheed facilities, particularly its factory in Fort Worth, Texas, but GAO warned in its May 16 report that the firm may start running out of room to park undelivered F-35s.
GAO also raised concerns about the F-35′s program’s testing capacity, which now has jets older than four decades that frequently break.
GAO also raised concerns about the F-35′s program’s testing capacity, which now has jets older than four decades that frequently break.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
And yours. ORAC said 40 years, not Low Observable.
https://www.defensenews.com/author/stephen-losey/
Paragraph 10 : https://www.defensenews.com/air/2024...remain-behind/
GAO also raised concerns about the F-35′s program’s testing capacity, which now has jets older than four decades that frequently break.
Even a casual observer would know that there are no F-35s that are "older than four decades".
At best it points to incredible carelessness by the author to make such a statement.
Apologies. I've watched too many attacks against Bill, who I respect, and leapt to the conclusion that this was another.
I would not leap to the defence of Mr Losey.
I would not leap to the defence of Mr Losey.
Hmmm, actually, I didn’t - /
See how easy it is to do this?
House defense bill would add more test F-35s as upgrades remain behind
The military would dedicate more Lockheed Martin-made F-35 Joint Strike Fighters to testing new technologies and capabilities under the House’s proposed fiscal 2025 National Defense Authorization Act.
An amendment proposed by Rep. Rob Wittman, R-Va., and adopted by a voice vote Wednesday would increase the number of developmental test F-35s in the works from six to at least nine, tweaking a provision that was passed as part of the FY24 NDAA.….
GAO also raised concerns about the F-35′s program’s testing capacity, which now has jets older than four decades that frequently break.
Four more F-35s are to receive modifications and become test jets by 2026, but GAO said testers would need to use workarounds and could not conduct all the external weapons tests some F-35s would need.
The proposed FY25 NDAA would cut the Pentagon’s planned F-35 purchase by 10, redirecting the roughly billion dollars in savings to expanding the jets’ testing capacity, including by buying more test aircraft…..
GAO also raised concerns in its report about the timetable for bringing on new developmental test F-35s.
The six jets that were already in the works would have been unprepared to conduct test flights until 2029 at the earliest. And the plans to retire existing test F-35s, GAO said, would have left the F-35 program with no test jets in 2028 and part of 2029.
The military would dedicate more Lockheed Martin-made F-35 Joint Strike Fighters to testing new technologies and capabilities under the House’s proposed fiscal 2025 National Defense Authorization Act.
An amendment proposed by Rep. Rob Wittman, R-Va., and adopted by a voice vote Wednesday would increase the number of developmental test F-35s in the works from six to at least nine, tweaking a provision that was passed as part of the FY24 NDAA.….
GAO also raised concerns about the F-35′s program’s testing capacity, which now has jets older than four decades that frequently break.
Four more F-35s are to receive modifications and become test jets by 2026, but GAO said testers would need to use workarounds and could not conduct all the external weapons tests some F-35s would need.
The proposed FY25 NDAA would cut the Pentagon’s planned F-35 purchase by 10, redirecting the roughly billion dollars in savings to expanding the jets’ testing capacity, including by buying more test aircraft…..
GAO also raised concerns in its report about the timetable for bringing on new developmental test F-35s.
The six jets that were already in the works would have been unprepared to conduct test flights until 2029 at the earliest. And the plans to retire existing test F-35s, GAO said, would have left the F-35 program with no test jets in 2028 and part of 2029.
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Such a novel point of view. The originality and creativity on show here is quite staggering. But speaking of masters and agendas, whose agenda is furthered by chanting cliches, as one of the largest defense programs in history, after more than 25 years of committed investment, can't deliver hardware and has no schedule for vital upgrades?
Such a novel point of view. The originality and creativity on show here is quite staggering. But speaking of masters and agendas, whose agenda is furthered by chanting cliches, as one of the largest defense programs in history, after more than 25 years of committed investment, can't deliver hardware and has no schedule for vital upgrades?
Don't know if this is the case here but anything that damages F-35 will not be unwelcome to Boeing on the one hand (surely hoping for more F-15 orders or at least preventing cuts by the Air Force) nor to Russia or China. The latter two are actively trying to meddle with internal politics in the West. So I would not completely rule out that they might feed in some cases Journalists with information that fits their agenda. Doesn't have to be the case here, though. But it's sometimes not easy to distinguish.
But when it comes to influence operations, LM and RTX are supreme. The poor GE/RR F136 engine (which would have alleviated the jet's thermal problems) never had a chance against the ruthless and mendacious assaults of P&W, the Connecticut delegation, and well known names around DC. LockMart was the first and principal sponsor of a brand-new think-tank in Australia, the Williams Foundation, which has resolutely championed the F-35 from its first breath in 2008. Industry paid a horde of people to kvetch at my editors any time I touched a keyboard. Believe me, the few of us thinking independently about these things were using garden shovels against a Moehne Dam-class torrent of professionally generated bull****.
More lessons learned:
Any strategy needs a Plan B, and Plan B should be better than “so we retreat as far as Smolensk, where we all starve to death in a snowbank.”
Bill Sweetman shares 10 ways GCAP can avoid the hell of the F-35 project with little or no effort | Hush-Kit (hushkit.net)
Any strategy needs a Plan B, and Plan B should be better than “so we retreat as far as Smolensk, where we all starve to death in a snowbank.”
Bill Sweetman shares 10 ways GCAP can avoid the hell of the F-35 project with little or no effort | Hush-Kit (hushkit.net)
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