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The F-35 thread, Mk II

Old 19th Dec 2021, 02:03
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Originally Posted by LateArmLive
It would be even brighter with a purchase of F35A. 44 B models aren't enough to be worthwhile.
They may be waiting for block 4 hardware.
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Old 19th Dec 2021, 02:08
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Originally Posted by golder
They may be waiting for block 4 hardware.
That would be the optimistic way of looking at it - it might even work out too!
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Old 19th Dec 2021, 02:33
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Do be serious, we are talking the U.K. plc here, Iím still surprised they didnít try to re-engine it.
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Old 19th Dec 2021, 20:32
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
Do be serious, we are talking the U.K. plc here, Iím still surprised they didnít try to re-engine it.
We did - F136
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Old 20th Dec 2021, 14:02
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Originally Posted by Navaleye
The F35 is the only way to go now for most nations. Typhoon and Rafale are obsolete and going out of production. For the UK the future is bright. It's F35b
I thought that Rafale had just got an order for 80 jets. Shame that Typhoon had not sold a lot better. But it is pretty expensive, primarily because of the 4 nation consortium.
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Old 20th Dec 2021, 21:59
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Originally Posted by Buster15
I thought that Rafale had just got an order for 80 jets.
It did 80 for UAE, also think that if something cant be sorted with the US govt over the F-35 the rafeal order for the UAE will be increased. Also still a possibility for some for indonesia. But the foreign sales possibilites of both the EF and Rafael are starting to dry up.
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Old 20th Dec 2021, 22:57
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Originally Posted by Buster15
I thought that Rafale had just got an order for 80 jets. Shame that Typhoon had not sold a lot better. But it is pretty expensive, primarily because of the 4 nation consortium.
The F-35 is built in many states and nations. It isn't the reason the EF is expensive. Rafale in built in one and is expensive.
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Old 21st Dec 2021, 10:03
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Originally Posted by golder
The F-35 is built in many states and nations. It isn't the reason the EF is expensive. Rafale in built in one and is expensive.
Both F35 and Rafale only have one final production build line. EF has 4, which I do know adds to the unit cost. Duplication of expensive resources.
However, I was not suggesting that it is the only reason why it is so expensive. Just one of them.
An example is that when bidding for an export sale, all 4 nations have to work on their own supply and support costs individually, then submit them to EF who coordinate the final submission.
Very much doubt that is the case for Rafale for example.
F35 price is a function of the large number of units produced.
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Old 21st Dec 2021, 10:30
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Originally Posted by Buster15
Both F35 and Rafale only have one final production build line. EF has 4, which I do know adds to the unit cost. Duplication of expensive resources.
However, I was not suggesting that it is the only reason why it is so expensive. Just one of them.
I have the distinct feeling that Airbus Defence ist the only one who fully includes already incurred Overhead costs into the calculation: Cue: The F-35 is getting cheaper and offers for late comers like Switzerland and Finland seem to be based purely on production costs/marginal costs plus a small margin to contribute to Overhead costs from the past (e.g. development costs).EF is getting more and more expensive over time.
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Originally Posted by Buster15
Both F35 and Rafale only have one final production build line. EF has 4, which I do know adds to the unit cost. Duplication of expensive resources.
However, I was not suggesting that it is the only reason why it is so expensive. Just one of them.
An example is that when bidding for an export sale, all 4 nations have to work on their own supply and support costs individually, then submit them to EF who coordinate the final submission.
Very much doubt that is the case for Rafale for example.
F35 price is a function of the large number of units produced.
Do you want to count the F-35 production lines again? I'll start you off in the EU with Italy.
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Old 21st Dec 2021, 12:59
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Do you want to count the F-35 production lines again? I'll start you off in the EU with Italy.
Plus Japan assemble their own A's IIRC.

So, that's 3 so far.



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Old 22nd Dec 2021, 09:23
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Plus Japan assemble their own A's IIRC.

So, that's 3 so far.
Correction accepted.
I thought that the Italian FACO was only for repairs. And was not aware that Japan had a production build line.
So thank you for your update.
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Old 22nd Dec 2021, 15:45
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Correction accepted.
I thought that the Italian FACO was only for repairs. And was not aware that Japan had a production build line.
So thank you for your update.
The Italian and Dutch F-35As were/are built in Italy, and it may be offered to other European customers in future (Greece, Spain, etc).
The Japanese were back and forth for a while about where their F-35s would be built, but I wasn't aware that any had actually rolled off the line at the country's FACO. I thought that was being used as an MRO facility, but standing by to be corrected.
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Old 30th Dec 2021, 23:24
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Mystery customer

Any guesses?
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...he-stealth-jet

I have had a cursory look at the dsca.mil to assertain which one of the new customers it could be?

https://www.dsca.mil/search/node?keys=f-35

Cheers

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Old 30th Dec 2021, 23:50
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Originally Posted by chopper2004
Smart money is saying singapore. Singapore has some F-35B's coming, the rumor is a its study to see about putting isreali software and systems in the singaporian B models

Israeli PM had a clandestine visit to singapore in october
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Old 31st Dec 2021, 00:46
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Smart money is saying singapore. Singapore has some F-35B's coming, the rumor is a its study to see about putting isreali software and systems in the singaporian B models

Israeli PM had a clandestine visit to singapore in october
Israeli stuff is plug and play. It has already been incorporated and shouldn't need to be redone.
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Old 31st Dec 2021, 00:52
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Israeli stuff is plug and play. It has already been incorporated and shouldn't need to be redone.
Firstly I dont believe it is all plug and play, the intial plan was but the US relented and gave them access to the core operating system to put in their electronics, secondly singapore is getting B models and while the ADIR's are based on A models
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Firstly I dont believe it is all plug and play, the intial plan was but the US relented and gave them access to the core operating system to put in their electronics, secondly singapore is getting B models and while the ADIR's are based on A models
They gave then nothing. They didn't even give UK, their T1 partner access. The US did the work in the states for them. They plug in and have no access to the core software. Even reprograming lab for mission data files. Are done in the US under supervision.
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Thailand next?

Bangkok eyeing them up

https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand...5-stealth-jets

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South Korean F-35 Conducts Emergency ‘Belly Landing’ 04 Jan 2022 Greg Hadley
https://www.airforcemag.com/south-ko...belly-landing/
"A South Korean air force F-35 pilot was forced to make an emergency “belly landing” but managed to escape unharmed Jan. 4, according to multiple media reports. The incident was caused by “avionic system issues,” South Korean air force officials told news agency Yonhap, which caused the landing gear to malfunction and resulted in the pilot landing on a runway with the gear up. Before the landing, a fire engine deployed a special foam on the runway, “which prevented the jet’s fuselage from sustaining any serious damage,” officials added. The full extent of the damage has not been reported...."
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